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03.04.2006 um 15:41



@doppelaccount Goldman..
Ich warte immer noch auf deine auslegung was das dreieckzu
bedeuten hat.

Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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03.04.2006 um 16:36

@Dummschwätzer Mermaidman:

Das Dreieck bedeutet garnichts. Und jetzt ver... Dich

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03.04.2006 um 17:12

oh goldjunge...
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"Multikulti" hat eindeutig recht: Es handelt sich um einFreimauererymbol und
nicht einmal um ein verstecktes...
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Was denn nun.....?Wie kommst denn dann zu deiner aussage -->Das Dreieck bedeutet garnichts.<---
Freimaurer nutzen also symbole die nix sagen... jaja...

Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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03.04.2006 um 17:18

Tut mir leid aber Du hast manchmal? so Phasen
Wenn ich mir anschaue, was Du weiteroben postest gegenüber Affensaft...
Da möchte ich garnichtmehr weitermachen.

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03.04.2006 um 17:20

das leben is hart, lenk nich vom thema ab BT.

Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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03.04.2006 um 17:41

Willst Dus wirklich wissen weil Dus nicht weisst?

oder einfach nur damit Du dann(D)eine Gegenthese bringen kannst

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03.04.2006 um 18:18

>Willst Dus wirklich wissen weil Dus nicht weisst?
Ich sach ma' so. Ich kann darübernix im freimauer lexikon lesen....

Ausserdem:
Ich will hier nix"thesieren"... ich mag es nur nicht wenn man mal eben behauptet "dat sind freimaurer".Obwohl es offensichtlich ist das dem nicht so ist. Ich lasse mich aber gerne einesanderen belehren.

Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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Freimaurer-Symbol in U-Bahn Haltestelle in Hamburg?

04.04.2006 um 16:58

0815Denker schrieb:

<b>"Aber wenn du wieder mit Quellen daher kommst diesich in anderen Threads schon als nicht seriös erwiesen haben und diese hier wiederverbreitet ist mehr als dreist."</b>

Es ist eine dreiste Desinfotaktik,ohne Beweise zu behaupten, meine Quellen hätten sich in anderen Threads als unseriöserwiesen.

<b>"Dein Albert Pike war Rassist und Ku-Klux-Klanmitglied, dasseine Freimaurerlogen ein vollkommen anderes System inne hatte, nämliche das "PikeSystem", als in der Rest der Welt, es kann also sehr wohl sein das in seiner Logereligiöse Züge gab, aber das auf alle anderen Logen auszuweiten ist nicht akzeptabel. Daser dann auch noch erst von einen besessenen Freimaurengegner erst bekannt wurde sprichtBände. "</b>

Was du hier (mit fehlerhafter Grammatik und holprigemSatzbau) versuchst, ist Pike als isolierten Ausnahmefall zu deklarieren und seinenEinfluss auf die Scottih Rite Freemasonry herunterzuspielen. Pike war Souvereign GrandCommander und einer der einflussreichsten Freimaurer die je existierten, sogar heute nochwird er offen von freimaurerischen Publikationen wie dem "Scottish Rite Magazine"gepriesen. PS: Pike war Klan-Gründer, nicht nur Mitglied.

<b>Mit ManlyPalmer Hall ist es das gleiche, er war auch in der Thule-Gesellschaft ein gern gesehenerGast. Auch hat er nur über eben diesen "Pikenloge" berichtet also ist nichts bewiesen dasauch andere so agieren.</b> Zeig mir doch bitte, wo ich behauptet habe, dass alleFreimaurer inklusive der unteren Ränge kriminell sind?
Manly Hall, einer derhöchstrangigen Freemasons seiner Zeit, trifft die gleiche Aussage wie Pike, Schnoebelenund Co. über die Freimauerische Elite. Denkst du, ich vertraue anhand Fakten wie diesenden Beschwichtigungen eines Freimauers der untersten 3 Grade? Laut dem ehemaligen 32nddegree Mason Schnoebelen werden die Mitglieder der blauen Grade als "porch-masons"bezeichnet. Pike und Hall schreiben, die Masse der Masons "verdient es, getäuscht zuwerden".
<b> Laut meiner Erfahrung ist solches Geschwätzt dazu da das manKritikern euerer Gedankengebäude als verblendet darstellen kann.</b> Dann lies malein Standardwerk über Argumentationstechniken, da wirst du auch jene auf freemasonrywatchgelisteten unfairen Desinfo-Taktiken finden.

Smartfish schrieb:

<b>Es gibt tausenduneine Loge und mehr. Eine Loge ist der Wortbedeutung nachein "abgeschlossener Raum", . Freimaurer gibt es ca. 6 Millionen weltweit, in Deutschlandca. 12000. </b>
<b>Es ist ferner immer das Gleiche. Es wird munter ausdem Internet zitiert, statt aus den Büchern, die in öffentlichen und privatenBibliotheken bereitstehen, es wird ungeprüft nachgeplappert und re-rezitiert, ohne dasssich kaum jemand die Mühe macht, die mutmaßlichen Quellen einer wirklichen Prüfung zuunterziehen (wissenschaftliche Erhärtung).

Beispiel gefällig? Auch dies stammt- laut Internet - von Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma) UND: auch DIES ist wie die Einschübevon Affensaft aus dem Zusammenhang des gesamten Buches gerissen.</b>

Wiesoll das von dir angeführte Pike-Zitat meinem angeführten Pike-Zitat über einefreimaurerische Elite widersprechen? Wie soll das von dir angeführte Zitat Manly HallsAussage widersprechen? Oder Bill Schnoebelens Aussage?

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04.04.2006 um 17:28



@ Affensaft

Zunächst einmal, hatten wir nicht in einem Beschwerdethread,gestartet von Goldman festgehalten, dass es affig bzw. kindisch ist, die Leute wegenIhrer Grammatik bzw. Orthographie anzupöbeln? Deine Orthographie bzw. Grammatik ist wohlstreckenweise genauso für den A... . Dafür jetzt Denker0815 einen Kommentarreinzudrücken, ist doch AA. Werd mal locker.

Du schriebst:

"Nicht nurbezeichnet er bezeichnet das Freimaurertum ganz eindeutig als Religion, er schreibtdarüberhinaus noch, dass innerhalb des Freimaurertums
eine Elite existiert, welcheden Rest der Organisation über die Wahrheit täuscht.
Zwei weitere Zitate Pikes überdas Freimaurertum und Religion:

"Every lodge is a temple of religion, and itsteaching
instruction in religion." (13)"


Aus Deinem Post ging alsohervor, dass es innerhalb des Freimaurertums eine, die Mitbrüder täuschende Elite gäbe.

Aus dem von mir zitierten Ausschnitt - ebenfalls Morals and Dogma von AlbertPike entnommen - und aus meiner Erfahrung in der ortsansässigen Loge geht das Gegenteilhervor. Das ganze Ziel der Freimaurerei ist eine Entwicklung des Individuums.

Allein schon aus der Pike´schen Darstellung geht es doch hervor:

Ein Mensch,der sich über seine Fehler und Schwächen im Klaren ist. Der ein Bewusstsein dafür hat,dass er niemals der perfekte Mensch sein wird, und dennoch strebt er danach, er bemühtsich darum!

Das kann nicht der Mitbruder verordnen, sondern muss ein jeder mitsich selbst ins Reine bringen. Aber der Mitbruder kann auf diese Schwächen aufmerksammachen, er soll es sogar.

Dies hat nichts mit "Elite" im negativen Sinne zu tun.Man versteht sich dort auch nicht als Elite, sondern als Mensch. Der "perfekte Mensch"(gebildet, höflich, nachsichtig, weise, gutherzig) als solches ist ein elitäres und - ausmeiner Sicht - positives Ziel; aber auch aus Sicht der FM unerreichbar. Man willnachdenken! Sinn finden! Sich selbst und die Mitbrüder zum Sehen statt Wegsehen und immerwieder zum Suchen und der Arbeit an sich selbst animieren.

Dieses Ziel ist dochauch ausserhalb der FM erstrebenswert. FM bedeutet aber, im geistigen Austausch mitMenschen anderer sozialer Herkunft, Bildung, Hautfarbe,monetärer Situation, Ziele,Wünsche, etc. etc. zu treten. Ein bunter Haufen Ungleicher also, die sich immer aufgleicher Augenhöhe begegnen.

Man hätte auch durchaus 100 oder 1000 Stufen indie Riten einarbeiten können. Macht keinen Unterschied. Der Hochgradmaurer trägt immerden Lehrlingsschurz. (Ähnliches wird übrigens auch in den japanischen Kampfsportartenpraktiziert. Großmeister tragen dort einen rot-weissen und schlußendlich oftmals einenweissen Gürtel als Ausdruck des immerwährenden Lernprozesses.)

Das sind aberalles keine Geheimnisse. Diese Dinge können überall nachgelesen - oder miterlebt -werden.

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06.04.2006 um 19:09

Die Kombination aus Zirkel und Schreinerwinkel ist auch an vielenIndustrie-und-Handels-Kammern und nicht nur ein Freimaurer-Symbol.
Vielleicht solldas ja einfach den Handwerkern gewidmet sein, die an der station mitgebaut haben.

Ein Gedanke, der richtig ist, kann auf die Dauer nicht niedergelogen werden.
Scientia est Potentia


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06.04.2006 um 23:27

Klasse...

Hamburg - "Fünf Euro, sonst sagen wir nichts", erklärt derSiebtklässler Deniz vor seiner Schule, einem orangenen Siebziger-Jahre-Kasten. Dann lachter und sagt: "War nur ein Witz". Solche Scherze werden derzeit viele gemacht an derGesamtschule Mümmelmannsberg. Schließlich sollen an der Schule ein paar Neunt- undZehntklässer von einem Fernsehteam Geld bekommen haben, um für einen Beitrag desZDF-Magazins "Reporter" Gewaltszenen nachzustellen, wie das "Hamburger Abendblatt" heuteberichtete.

more:
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,410166,00.html

jaja...genau in dieser gegen haben die freimaurer eine loge. In einem viertel was die armut nurso dahinrafft.
Vielleicht wollen die ja dort humanitäre hilfe leisten?!

Glaube kaum das dies der richtige ort ist für eine loge.

m.m.m.



Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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07.04.2006 um 00:08

mein vorschlag zu dieser ganzen geschichte wäre, dass du an diese haltestelle gehst,deine digi-cam mitnimmst und das alles dokumentierst. gehst du aus der haltestelle raus,dann sieh dich um, vielleicht siehst du noch ein symbol, folge diesem etc... dokumentieraber alles....halt die augen offen (ist jetzt keine verarsche)...
wenn ich wieder inhamburg bin, sehe ich mir es auch mal an....

vergiss nicht zuveröffentlichen...untersuche die haltestelle und den umkreis....vielleicht entdeckst duwas! forsche auch nach, wofür das symbol dort hängt, vergiss aber nicht deinedokumentation zu posten, wir wollen es auch lesen...;-)

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07.04.2006 um 00:14

Wenn ich mal nach hamburg komme, dann werd ich es machen. Das lass ich mir nichtentgehen. ;)

Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
-=schwa=-


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09.04.2006 um 13:05

@ sebtemberkind...

wenn du dich mal besser erkundigt hättest dan wördest duwissen das die freimauren im jahre 1615 in bayern entstanden sind und der gründer waradam weißhaupt war


noch mal was zu dem symbol das findet man auf jeder 1dolernote und aol hat auch eine pyramide als firmen logo.

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09.04.2006 um 16:53

Falsch, von was du sprichst ist der Illuminatenorden. Dieser wurde 1776 vom besagten AdamWeißhaupt gegründet. An deiner Stelle würde ich mich besser informieren bevor du so waseinen anderen vorwirfst.

@Affensaft
Okay, der Satzbau war echt einemittlere Katastrophe und ich entschuldige mich dafür.

Aber nun zu Albert Pike:

1. "Pike war Klan-Gründer, nicht nur Mitglied."
Er war zwar ein frühesMitglied des Klans, jedoch nicht sein Gründer.
Sechs Offiziere der Südstaaten,nämlich Calvin Jones, John Kennedy,
Frank Mc Cord, John Lester, Richard Reed undJames Crowe gründeten den Klan an Weihnacht 1865


2."Pike war SouvereignGrand Commander und einer der einflussreichsten Freimaurer die je existierten"
EinAusnahmefall war er jetzt nicht, aber auch nicht wirkliches besonderes.
Das erVorsitzender der südlichen Jurisdiktion der Vereinigten Staaten des Schottischen Rituswar stimmt ja. Jedoch war dieser Bereich und der Vorstand eben nicht gerade groß odermachtvoll in Vergleich zu den nördlichen Bereichen.

Das überhaupt Pike sobekannt wurde ist den Franzosen Leo Taxil (wahrer Name Gabriel Antoine Jagand-Pages) zuverdanken.

Taxil hat zum ersten Mal auf sich aufmerksam gemacht als er denPapst eine Affäre unterstellte, dieser belegt ihn deshalb mit einen Busgeld.
Taxilwar das egal, er drosch weiter verbal auf die Kirche ein und schaffte es dass ihn eineFreimaurerloge aufnahm. Er verließ diese jedoch nachdem die Loge ihn einen Aufstieg verwehrte. Daraufhin suchte er wieder die Nähe zu Kirche, das Vertrauen erlangte erdadurch dass er 1885 ein Buch namens "Vollständige Enthüllung der Freimaurerei"verfasste.

Taxil bekam den Segen des Papstes einen Anti-Freimaurerkreuzzugstarten zu dürfen. Er erfand die Person Diana Vaughan, dessen Vater angeblich in Kentuckyeine Satanistenschule leitete, eine der Schüler soll Albert Pike gewesen sein. Diesenerhob Taxil dann auch noch zum obersten aller Freimauren und ließ ihn vor dem fiktivenObersten Rat der weltweit verbundenen Freimaurerei reden. Kernaussage war die das Satander oberste Gott ist und die Freimauren sein Werkzeug zur Unterjochung der Welt sei.

Solche Informationen waren von der Kirche gern gesehen und ließen diese weiterverbreiten. Taxil wollte 1897 in Paris Diana Vaughan, der angeblich jederzeit vonFreimauren bedroht wurde, bei der Geographischen Gesellschaft der Öffentlichkeitvorstellen. Taxi kam auch, jedoch ohne Vaughan. Er erklärte dann vor der Gesellschaft dasalles was er seit 12 Jahren geschrieben hat Schwindel war und er sich so an der Kircheund den Freimaurerlogen gerächt hat.

Bis heute werden von Freimaurengegnerndie Lügen Taxils verbreitet, ob das jetzt die Urfassung ist oder Anschuldigungen das dieFreimaurerei eine kapitalistische/jüdische/faschistische oder sonstige Weltherrschaftanstrebe. Das ganze natürlich immer wieder durch Albert Pikes Mund.

Frage,sind solchen Informationen jetzt zu trauen? Meiner Meinung nach nicht.

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Proof that Freemasonry is lying about Albert Pike and theKu Klux Klan










BackgroundAccompaniment: 'The Liberty March', by Brother John Philip Sousa


Left: TheMain Library of the Supreme Council 33° of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite ofFreemasonry, S.J., U.S.A., the Mother Supreme Council of the World, Washington D.C., isdedicated to none other than Confederate General Albert Pike, the KKK's Chief of"Judiciary".

He has lived. The fruits of his labors live after him. - AlbertPike, 33°

These words dedicated to Albert Pike are mounted in bronze near theimpressive, leather-covered doors leading into the Library of The Supreme Council, 33°.They are an appropriate greeting to the user of the Library since today The SupremeCouncil's Library continues Pike's lifework and Freemasonry's mission.

Pike,who admitted to being "capricious in my reading," was an avid collector of books. In hisLittle Rock, Arkansas, home one of the most impressive rooms was the library, and Pikekept an extensive collection of books at his Arkansas mountain cabin retreat where hewrote the first drafts of what was to become Morals and Dogma.

Pike saved whathe could of these books during the turmoil of the Civil War and its aftermath, and whenhe moved to the nation's capital area, he built on these collections, first in his homein Alexandria, Virginia, and then in the first House of the Temple at Third and DStreets, NW, in Washington, DC. his death, he willed all his books to The SupremeCouncil, 33, under the provision that they be made available to the general public at nocharge. Thus in 1891, the House of the Temple Library became, in effect, the first"public library" in the District of Columbia.

Today, many of these books fromPike's personal collection form the nucleus of the Library of The Supreme Council at thepresent House of the Temple at 1733 Sixteenth Street, NW, and they are still availablefor use, free of any charge, by the general public as well as, of course, the Brethren.One of the thrills of conducting research in the Library is, unexpectedly, to come acrossa few words in Pike's own small, meticulous handwriting in some of the older books.

The above description of Pikes importance to Freemasonry from the Supreme Council 33°shows the claims by Masonic Apologists today that Pike is a "nobody" whose "importance isnothing to masonry", who "no one even knows who he is save for a few anti's" to be a realwhopper. Albert Pike is to Freemasonry what Shakespeare is to Drama. One is inseperablefrom the other. Don't let practiced dissemblers tell you anything different.

Right: One of the most widely read occuIt books in the world; Morals and Dogma of theAncient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. This book is still given to Masons onbeing awarded the 32nd Degree.

Pike has been termed by a number of well knownMasonic authors as the Plato of Freemasonry, and even the Masonic Pope!

Freemasonry, that is to say Organized Freemasonry practices the big lie technique.More to the point organized Freemasonry has perfected the big lie technique. They termthis doublespeak ' diverting the discourse'. In regard to Confederate general, slaver,British spy, convicted Confederate war criminal, Sovereign Grand Commander of the SupremeCouncil 33rd Degree, Ku Klux Klan ritual designer, Ku Klux Klan Chief Judicial Officerand Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon it is necessary to add some superlatives on to theterm 'divert the discourse', because that opaque term doesn't nearly come close todescribing the effort and tactics it has and is employing to cover-up, obscure, deflect,and divert about Pike's leading roll in the KKK's creation.

Please excuse us ifwe seem to go to some length to explain what exactly organized Freemasonry with all it'sthousands of internet sites, millions of members, and billions of net worth is doing inregard to the Albert Pike issue because one has to be very specific when dealing with themasters of parsing. In fact it is likely the case that Freemasonry provided the initialinstruction to intelligence agencies on the most effective methods of usingdisinformation.

First they eliminate all "documents" - not that a oral secretsociety such as Freemasonry or the KKK keeps a paper trail. Then they say no documentsexist or none can be found. If there is any eyewitness testimony included in books orwritings on the topic they deny the books or writings exist, if that fails they attackthe witnesses and try and destroy their character - even if they were masons and therebyignoring their oaths on the matter, and if that fails they attack the character of theauthors themselves - again if they also too were masons. Finally they will simply lie ormischaracterize the nature of a book or writing by terming it 'anti' - even if the workwas 'pro' but written in another time before the fall of the KKK.

The use ofthe term "anti" is one of pure Orwellian rhetoric. All those who write critically ofFreemasonry are anti's and all anti's are frauds, liars, zealots, or extremists andcannot be accepted. Therefore there is no such thing as a legitimate work criticizingFreemasonry because by it's very nature it must be 'anti' and organized Freemasonry willaccept no references from 'anti's' in any debate or discussion of Freemasonry. If perchance the writing was from a mason but was one that was meant not to come out into thepublic view (in the jacket cover of most masonic books is typed that the books must bereturned to the Lodge if the owner dies), or if it was simply written in another timepolitically - such as the case with pro Ku Klux Klan books that extoll the roll of AlbertPike in the KKK, the tact is to attack the authors. Even though at the time the bookswere written Organized Freemasonry was more that happy to accept the kudos of themillions strong KKK on all the wonderful things that Pike did for them.

Anon-mason may provide quote after quote from old masonic or KKK works and Freemasonrywill not accept any of them because anyone who would suggest such a thing today (thenon-mason) would be doing so with the knowledge that it would be harmful to Freemasonry'spublic image and standing, and anyone who would do that would obviously have to be an'anti'. Of course nothing an "Anti" says or writes is acceptable to a Mason. Logiciansterm this circular reasoning and furthermore classify circular reasoning as a fallacy. Afallacy is equivalent to an mathematical error in logic or rhetoric, and it isdisallowed. It is not a legitimate debating method, it is in the same category as adhominem personal attacks. Unfortunately with the Freemasons power it is very difficult tocompete with the deluge of misinformation they spew out repeating these illegitimatedebating and reasoning methods. In crude terms organized Freemasonry's most effectivetactic is to "baffle them with bee's wax". Mountains of it. If it will take a thousandwebsites or a hundered thousand usenet posts to bury the 'anti's' point (which they neverrespond to without employing shabby cut and paste, deletion, or misquoting games) thenthat is what they will do. Masons term this 'good work'.

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Right: Atrium of the Supreme Council 33°, Washington DC. A bust of Pike can be seen inthe distance on the landing of the Grand Staircase which leads up to the main temple roomwhich all 33° Masons must file past. Pike is buried in a secret crypt under the stairway,beneath the bust, the only Freemason to be given this "honor".

But what is thepurpose of this exercise? Masons who find themselves on the clear loosing end of a Pikematch (it happens but they quickly cancel the posts or pretend the verbal arguement neveroccured) will say "but even if you are right, so what it happened 150 years ago and hasno bearing today, etc". Here is why it does very much matter. Pike wasn't just anyFreemason he was the head of the Supreme Council which has defacto control of the entireworldwide masonic movement. Therefore the Ku Klux Klan was an official (albiet verysecret) and planned masonic organization with political overtones that foreknowingly wasset up to engage in murder, arson, blackmail and other extra constitutional tactics toachieve the Scottish Rites political objectives. The KKK and Freemasonry relationshipthereby is as a seamless as could be. From it's inception through the open recruiting ofmasons in newspapers to the KKK, to the use of masonic temples and halls for KKKmeetings, to the rituals, rites, and occuIt themes, to the high degree masonic membershipof the leadership of the old and new klans. Even the present cover-up can be seen to bepart of Organized Freemasonry's continued involvement with reactionary politics. Theyhave never stopped, they have never given up. Many have speculated on what happened tothe millions of KKK Members that were on the rolls up to the KKK's final downfall at thehands of the IRS in the 40's. We now know. They simply carried on inside the masoniclodges as if nothing had changed at all. And what really had changed? In most regions ofthe country the local KKK Klavern's membership was indistinguishable from the local'Blue' masonic lodges membership.

After all the KKK had openly advertised innewspapers for new recruits specifiying that masons were preferred! The only change wasthe sheets were stowed away, but the political goals and willingness and capability tofollow through on them carried on. The letter that the head of the Supreme Council wroteabout a Roman Catholic president in 1960 in the official organ of the Scottish Rite -'New Age' magazine, and the continuing practically non-existant black membership in the'blue' lodges, plus the non-recognition as 'regular' of black only Prince Hall lodgestestify's boldly to that.

The 1940's folding was a complete sham. That is whythe desperate defense of Albert Pike. They're still at it, they never went away.



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Here then gentle, patient readers are the references which prove that the IllustriousAlbert Pike was part of the KKK, and that the KKK and Freemasonry were intrinsicallylinked.




Reference Number ONE.
Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin,Growth, and Disbandment

It was in 1905 that the Neale Publishing Company, NewYork and Washington, published Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, writtenand edited by Walter L. Fleming, incorporating earlier published material by J.C. Lesterand D.L. Wilson. Historian Walter Fleming's introduction to this 1905 book explains thathe has been given "information in regard to Ku Klux Klan, by many former members of theorder, and by their friends and relatives." Dr. Fleming states that "General Albert Pike,who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan." On apage of illustrations of important founders of the KKK, Dr. Fleming places General Pike'sportrait in the center, makes it larger than the six others on the page, and repeats thisinformation as a caption: "General Albert Pike, chief judicial officer". Dr. Flemingattaches as an appendix to his book, a KKK "prescript" or secret constitution which hadthen recently been discovered. This document sets forth the regulations of the Klan's"judiciary"' department, over which Albert Pike ruled. This is the internal disciplinaryor counterintelligence department. It also corresponds to Pike and the Klan's influenceover the regular court system and the legal profession in the post-civil War southernstates.

As the boss of all the southern secret societies and simultaneouslypresident of the Tennessee Bar Association, Pike was the grand strategist of Klan"justice." It is to be stressed that Walter Fleming's book was not a slander or hatchetjob against Albert Pike. Though it revealed much important data for the first time, itplaced the KKK and Pike in the most favorable possible light. The book was a hit amongdiehard Confederates and Anglo-Saxon "race patriots," and it launched Fleming's career asthe dean of southern historians. Fleming became the leading apologist for the KKK, andwas the father of the modern historical line that Reconstruction was a corrupt oppressionof the South. In September 1903, Fleming had written in the Journal of the SouthernHistory Association: "The very need for such an organization in the disordered conditionsof the time caused the Dens [KKK local units] to begin to exercise the duties of a policepatrol for regulating the conduct of thieving and impudent negroes and similar "loyal'whites...." Dr. Fleming's biases have not hurt his reputation with establishedauthorities. The National Cyclopedia of American Biography calls his 1905 Ku Klux Klanhistory "an authoritative account of that organization." The Dictionary of AmericanBiography states bluntly: "Fleming covered the Civil War and Reconstruction in the Southmore fully than any other man. His works are characterized by ... scholarly objective. ASoutherner, Fleming wrote of the sectional conflict with Southern sympathies yet he wasmore objective than most Southerners of his generation. The historiography of the CivilWar and Reconstruction owes much to his indefatigable research, his breadth ofscholarship, and power of interpretation." Basing his career on his defense of Pike'sKKK, Fleming became dean of arts and sciences at Vanderbilt University in Nashville,Tennessee.

Pike's Tennessee Klan Command

It was in Nashville thatAlbert Pike and other Confederate generals met in 1867 to form a southern states-wideterrorist KKK, expanding the little project they had started two years before in Pulaski,Tenn. The organization he formed in Nashville designated Pike its chief judiciaryofficer, and its Grand Dragon for Arkansas.

As owner-publisher of the Memphis,Tennessee, Daily Appeal, Albert Pike wrote in an editorial on April 16, 1868:

"With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes ablasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested,and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchisedpeople of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except insecret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed tonegro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organizationcomplete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all,and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members."
(A copy ofthat issue of Pike's paper may be viewed at the Library of Congress, as may the booksmentioned in this article.)

Left: The Albert Pike Memorial Room inside theSupreme Council 33° Temple, which itself is located 13 blocks directly north of the WhiteHouse in Washington D.C..

But it was as the Sovereign Grand Commander of theScottish Rite, and the recognized boss of the southern white masonic order, that Pikeexercised the great clandestine power that welded the KKK together. Dr. Walter Flemingdesignates Confederate Major James R. Crowe as the pre-eminent source for his 1905 KKKHistory, and describes Crowe as one of the original KKK founders in Pulaski. Fleming saysthat Major Crowe "held high rank in the Masonic order." In his honor roll of "well-knownmembers of the Klan," Dr. Fleming places "General John C. Brown, of Pulaski, Tennessee"and "Colonel Joseph Fussell, of Columbia, Tennessee."

General Brown and ColonelFussell, like Major Crowe, are identifiable as soldiers of Albert Pike's masonic order.General Brown had been a master mason in the Pulaski lodge for 15 years when the KKK wasformed there, and became grand master of Tennessee Masons and governor of Tennesseeduring the Klan's era of power. Colonel Fussell was commandant of Tennessee's masonicKnights Templar during the Klan rule. The preceding masonic information is taken fromTennessee Templars: A Register of Names with Biographical Sketches of the Knights Templarof Tennessee by James D. Richardson. This James D. Richardson was himself the Commandantof Knights Templar and Grand Master of Masons in Tennessee, and was speaker of theTennessee House of Representatives during the era of the Klan power. This same James D.Richardson was Albert Pike's successor as commander of the southern Scottish Rite masons.It was this same Richardson who ordered the Pike statue to be erected in Washington, D.C.It was Richardson who, as a U.S. congressman from Tennessee, introduced into the U.S.House of Representatives the infamous 1898 resolution: It called for the federalgovernment to provide federal land to Richardson's masonic organization, on which to putup their statue honoring the master strategist of KKK terror.




Reference Number TWO.
The KKK on Parade

Susan Lawrence Davis's 1924Authentic History, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877, repeats the pattern Fleming created in 1905,revealing Pike's KKK role but treating him and the Klan sympathetically. The Davis bookwas written to celebrate the new, 20th-century KKK, which was just then stagingfull-dress mass marches in Washington and northern cities such as Detroit. In her chapteron General Pike's leadership of the Klan, Miss Davis applauds Pike's clever stewardshipof the KKK secret organization. She reproduces in her KKK history an oil portrait ofAlbert Pike given to her for the KKK book by Pike's son.




Reference Number THREE.
The Tragic Era

The same is true of otherbook-length histories of the Klan and numerous published biographies of Albert Pike:Pike's role as Klan leader or KKK boss of Arkansas is discussed, but treated as if KKKterrorist murder of African-Americans was "regrettable" but "only natural" and"understandable." In his book, The Tragic Era, Claude Bowers, who served many years asthe U.S. ambassador to Spain and to Chile, described Albert Pike as one of the handful ofdistinguished, respectable founders of the KKK and the Klan's leader in Arkansas.

Bowers describes the KKK as patriotic southerners defending their way of life fromout-of-control blacks and northerners.

Bowers wrote that much of the KKK'salleged violence was actually perpetrated by Negroes disguised in Klan robes to wreakvengeance on other Negroes!




Reference Number FOUR.
TheFiery Cross

"Prominent Southern gentlemen were later cited as state leaders ofthe Invisible Empire. Alabama claimed General John T. Morgan as Grand Dragon. Arkansaswas headed by General Albert Pike, explorer and poet. North Carolina was led by formergovernor Zebulon Vance, and Georgia by General John B. Gordon, later a U.S. Senator."

Source: The Fiery Cross: Wade, Wyn Craig. Oxford University Press 1998 Page 58Originally Published: Simon & Schuster 1987 Library of Congress Catalogue Number: 1.KuKlux Klan (1915-)-History. 2. White Supremacy movements--United States --History. 3.Racism--United States-- History. 322.4'2'0973-dc21 97-44001





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Reference Number FIVE.
The Aryan's

Albert Pike also wrote extensivelyon the mythtical super-race of the Aryans, extolling their virtues, imagined history, andreligion which he tried to show was the precursor of Freemasonry in is numerous PublishedWorks. It would seem that Pike was a fellow traveller with Blavatsky on this subject.Fifty years later in Central Europe there will be others who will take up this mantle anduse these writings as the basis for a ideology that curiously enough will also use theterm 'new world order' to describe it's agenda. Just a co-incidence of course.




Reference Number SIX.
History and Evolution of Freemasonry

Afurther useful quotation from Mr. Pike was also supplied by Mr. Bill Maddox, a Freemasonon the Usenet group alt.freemasonry (and vigorously attacked for doing so by the resident"e-m@sons").

"I took my obligations from white men, not from negroes. When Ihave to accept negroes as brothers or leave masonry, I shall leave it" - Albert Pike33rd*

Delmar D. Darrah
History and Evolution of Freemasonry 1954, page 329.
The Charles T Powner Co.




Reference Number SEVEN.
ACritical Examination of Objections to the Legitimacy of the Masonry Existing Among theNegroes of America

On Bastille Day 2001 in response to a reference made in theusenet newsgroup alt.freemasonry to the page you are currently reading a mason once againattacked the above reference as being a "anti lie".

He is then publicallyrebutted by a brother thusly:

Lee Duncan wrote in message
news:1bfe0d70.0107141925.c01c59d@posting.google.com...
> For example, there is apopular claim among "anti's" that Pike said
> something resembling this: "I took myvows to white men, not
> Negroes...when I must call a Negroe 'brother,' I shallresign from
> Masonry."
> Of course, Pike said no such thing. In reality, Pikewas a great
> champion of Prince Hall (Negroe) Masonry.


snip

For your consideration the full text of Pike's letter follows as quoted in "ACritical Examination of Objections to the Legitimacy of the Masonry Existing Among theNegroes of America" by William H. Upton, 1902, p.214-15. My thanks to Brother Bennie forprompting me to scan the document because of his contribution.

F&S,

Mike Wells
Normal #673 AF&AM Illinois
Collector of old Masonic books


Views of General ALBERT PIKE, Sovereign Grand Commander, A. & A. Scottish Rite.ALEXANDRIA, Va., 13th September, 1875.

My DEAR FRIEND AND BROTHER.-I can see asplainly as that the negro question is going to make trouble. Then plenty of regular negroMasons and negro lodges in South America and the West Indies, and our folks only stave ofthe question by saying that negro Masons here are clandestine. Prince Hall Lodge was asregular a Lodge as any lodge created by competent authority, and had a perfect right (asother lodges in Europe did) to establish other lodges, making itself a mother Lodge.That's the way the Berlin lodges, Three Globes and Royal York, became Grand Lodges.

The Grand Orient of Hayti is as regular as any other. So is the Grand Orient of theDominican Republic, which, I dare say, has negroes in it and negro lodges under it.

Again, if the negro lodges are not regular, they can easily get regularized. If ourGrand Lodges won't recognize negro lodges, they have the right to go elsewhere. The GrandLodge can't say to eight or more Masons, black or white, we will not give you a charterbecause you are negroes, or because you wish to work the Scottish Rite, and you shall notgo elsewhere to get one. That latter part is bosh.

Hamburg recognizes the GrandLodges. Yes, and so the German Grand Lodge Confederation is going to do, and so will theGrand Orient of France before long.

Of course, if negrophily continues to be thereligion established by law of your States, there will be before long somewhere abeginning of recognition of negro lodges. Then the Royal Arch and Templar bodies ofnegroes must be taken in, and Masonry go down to their level. Will your plan work? Ithink not. I think there is no middle ground between rigid exclusion of negroes orrecognition and affiliation with the whole mass.

If they are not Masons, howprotect them as such or at all ? If they are Masons, how deny them affiliation or havetwo supreme powers in one jurisdiction.

I am not inclined to meddle in thematter. I took my obligations to white men, not to negroes. When I have to accept negroesas brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.

I am interested to keep theAncient and Accepted Rite uncontaminated, in our country at least, by the leprosy ofnegro association. Our Supreme Council can defend its jurisdiction, and it is thelaw-maker. There can not be a lawful body of that Rite in our jurisdiction unless it iscreated by us.

I am not so sure but that, what with immensity of numbers, wantof a purpose worth laboring for, general indifference to obligations, pitiful charity andlarge expenses, fuss, feathers and fandango, big temples and large debts, Masonry isbecome a great helpless, inert mass that will some day, before long, topple over, and gounder. If you wish it should, I think you can hasten the catastrophe by urging aprotectorate of the negroes. Better let the thing drift. Apres noun le, deluge.

Truly, yours,
ALBERT PIKE
Left: The Albert Pike Scottish Rite Temple, LittleRock Arkansas, home of the Arkansas Scottish Rite Supreme Council 33°, and the GrandLodge of Arkansas. There are also a large number of regular 'Blue' lodges named afterPike in small and big town U.S.A..




Reference Number EIGHT.
The Knights of the Golden Circle

Brigadier General Albert Pike organized andlead the African Slave Owning Cherokee Indians in the Oklahoma Territory who were part ofthe Masonic Knights of the Golden Circle, in their own secret society called theKeetowah. Under Pikes Generalship this Brigade raped, pillaged, and murdered civiliancommunities in the Oklahoma and Missori Territories. For these "good works" BrotherAlbert became a Convicted War Criminal in a War Crimes Trial held after the Civil Warsend. Unfortunately the "Pope" and "Plato" of Freemasonry had to be tried in absentiabecause he had fled to British Territory in Canada. Second Generation British-AmericanPike has also been alledged to have been working for the Crown as an agent and key civilwar agitator. Pike only returned to the U.S. after his hand picked Scottish RiteSuccsessor James Richardon 33° got a pardon for him after, making President Johnson a 33°Scottish Mason in a ceremony held inside the White House itself! In fact given Mr. Pikesleadership roll in the Knights of the Golden Circle and the fact that the name Ku KluxKlan is a version of Circle (Kluklos) it seems pretty clear to most researchers who washigher up the secret society occuIt ladder and therefore more instrumental in thefounding of the Klan - Mason/Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forest orMason/Confederate General/ Knights of the Golden Circle Leader/British Agent/ ScottishRite Supreme Council Head Albert Pike 33°.




Reference Number NINE
Scholarship

Dr. Walter Fleming's Academic Credentials by Auburn University.

Where or what are the academic credentials of Masonic "truth seekers" such asthe self styled "Grand" Lodge of BC and others that call anyone who says Pike was a keyfigure in the KKK a liar and "a hater"?

FLEMING, WALTER LYNWOOD, 1874-1932

University professor, dean. Born: April 8, 1874, Brundridge. Parents: WilliamLeroy and Mary Love (Edwood) Fleming. Married: Mary Wright Boyd, September 17, 1902.Children: Four. Education: Alabama Polytechnic Institute, B.S., (with honor), 1896; M.A.,1897; Columbia University, A.M., 1901; Ph.D., 1904. While at Auburn served as aninstructor in history and English; assistant librarian. At Columbia, lecturer in history.Served with the Alabama Voluntary Infantry in the Spanish-American War. Taught at WestVirginia University, 1903-1907; Louisiana State University, 1907-1917; VanderbiltUniversity, 1917-1928; dean of the College of Arts and Services, 1923-1926. Member of theeditorial board of the Mississippi Valley Historical Review, 1922.

Source: WhoWas Who in America, Vol. 1; Owen's The Story of Alabama, and Dictionary of AmericanBiography, Supplement 1.

Author: Civil War and Reconstruction in Alabama. NewYork: Columbia University Press, 1905.

Documentary History of Reconstruction:Political, Military, Social, Religious, Educational & Industrial, 1861 to the PresentTime. Cleveland, Ohio: A. H. Clarke Co., 1906-1907.

The Freedman's SavingsBank. Chapel Hill, N.C.: University of North Carolina Press, 1927.

History ofLouisiana State University (1860-1896). Sewanee, Tenn.: The University of the SouthPress, 1931.

The Reconstruction of the Seceded States, 1865-76. Albany, N.Y.:New York State Education Department, 1905.

The Reconstruction Period: aSyllabus & Reference List. Morgantown, W. Va.: A. G. Sturgiss, 1904.

The Sequelto Appomatox .... New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 1921.

SouthernBiography. (Vols. 11 & 12 in The South in the Building of the Nation) Richmond, Va.:Southern Historical Publication Society, 1909-1913.

Editor: Documents Relatingto Reconstruction. Morgantown, W. Va.: s.n., 1904.

General W.T. Sherman asCollege President: a Collection of Letters, Documents, and Other Material .... Cleveland,Ohio: The Arthur M. Clarke Co., 1912.


Ku Klux Klan, its Origin, Growth andDisbandment. New York: Neale Pub. Co., 1905.

SOURCE:

AuburnUniversity History Department




Reference Number TEN.
Investigative Journalism

Detroit Metro Times article:

Top TwentyList of Monuments and Statues in the United States of America that must Topple.




Conclusion
Rather than quake in fear when Masonic Propagandists putsthe muscle on (as in the case of the 1990's Pike Statue removal fight in WashingtonD.C.), a citizen or his political representative ought to put this question to GeneralPike's defenders: "Do you say that Professor Fleming, Miss Davis, Mr. Bowers, and all theother pro-Confederate historians were liars when they wrote of Pike's marvelous deeds asKKK founder and leader?" They want to have it both ways: first to issue propagandajustifying Klan terrorism as the work of "respectable'' men like Pike; later, when theirhero is under attack, to claim that their own propaganda slanders their man!




Resources:
Essay by John Covici, January 19, 1993
The Crown in theCapitol
The Ku Klux Klan, It's Origins Growth and Disbandment
AuthenticHistory, Ku Klux Klan
The Tragic Era
The Fiery Cross
History and Evolution ofFreemasonry
The Published Works of Illustrious Albert Pike 33
Usenet
Knightsof the Golden Circle Cherokee Indians




In 1995 African-Americanand Anti-Racist Groups attempted to get Pike's statue near the Federal Department ofJustice Building in "Judiciary" Square taken down but were out lobbied by the SupremeCouncil 33°, who were able to successfully mobilize fellow Scottish Rite 'travellingbrethren' inside the powerful ADL of the Grand Lodge of B'nai B'rith, who then toldpoliticians and officials that no evidence existed for Pike's involvement in the KKK.Brother heal thyself.

We predict Grand-Wizard Pike's future in Judiciary Squareis about as promising as the statues of assorted henchman that used to sit outside KGBheadquarters in Moscow under the hammer and sickle.

The worm has turned,brethren.



"Alle Wahrheit durchläuft drei Stufen. Zuerst wird sie lächerlich gemacht oder verzerrt. Dann wird sie bekämpft. Und schließlich wird sie als selbstverständlich angenommen." Arthur Schopenhauer

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DukeOfKent....
blaaaaa blaaaa..
trotzdem deutsches forum....

Also liegtes jetzt an dir den ganzen stuff in deutsche zu übersetzen.

Auf geht's!



Ein grosser Geist, der sich selbst richtig schätzt, rächt Beleidigungen nicht, weil er für sie keinen Sinn hat.(Seneca)
Viel Denken, nicht viel Wissen soll man pflegen(Demokrit)
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Das ist ja echt geil... Verschwörungstheoretiker zerfleischen sich in ihrem Forum selber. Pike lacht sich im Grab kaputt und G.W. Bush kriegt das Grinsen nicht mehr aus demGesicht.

Ich dachte hier tauschen sich Gleichgesinnte aus. Ist wohl nicht so,schade.

Die Freimaurer sagen immer: "Eine Kette ist nur so stark wie ihrschwächstes Glied" Da sind sie euch um Längen voraus!

Denkt mal darübernach!!!!!!



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