off-peak schrieb:Wie ich schon fragte: kennt man die Zeugen namentlich? Seit wann gibt es sie?
Und warum tauchen so "brisante" Aussagen erst immer sehr spät in Diskussionen auf? Und zwar jedesmal dann, wenn alles andere Geschwurbelte zerlegt wurde? Dann erscheinen auf einmal namenslose Zeugen wie gezinkte Asse beim Pokern. Und gemeinsam mit ihnen Unterstellungen, jeder, der nicht an sie glaubt, tue das, um die OT zu schützen.
Machen wir es doch einmal umgekehrt und postulieren folgende "Theorie": die VTler erfinden Zeugen, weil sie sonst nichts gegen die OT in der Hand haben.
Hier die Namen der Zeugen sowie die jeweiligen Aussagen und die Quelle.
Leider etwas schwer zu lesen, da ich nicht alles editieren wollte.
Austin Miller(on top of the triple overpass), November 22, 1963:
“One shot
apparently hit the street past the car.” [Sheriff’s
Department affidavit:
19H485]
Royce Skelton (on top of the triple overpass), November 22, 1963:
“I saw
something hit the pavement at the left rear of the
car ... I then heard an-
other [fourth] shot and saw the bullet hit the pave
ment. The concrete
was knocked to the South away from the car. It hit
the pavement in the
left or middle lane.” [Sheriff’s Department affidav
it: 19H496]
Ed Johnson (press; on Houston Street at the time of the shots)
, Novem-
ber 22, 1963: “Some of us saw little puffs of white
smoke that seemed to
hit the grassy area in the esplanade that divides D
allas’ main downtown
streets.” [Fort Worth Star-Telegram, November 23, 1
963]
Virgie Baker(Rackley)
(on the north side of Elm Street, in front of the
Texas School Book Depository), November 24, 1963: “
It sounded as
though these sounds were coming from the direction
of the Triple Under-
pass, and looking in that direction after the first
shot she saw something
bounce from the roadway in front of the Presidentia
l automobile and now
presumes it was a bullet bouncing off the pavement.
” [FBI interview:
CD5]
Austin Miller
(on top of the triple overpass), December 18, 1963:
“He heard
three shots and also noticed a powder dust spray in
the street directly to
the driver’s side and rear of the car.” [FBI report
: CD205]
Royce Skelton
(on top of the triple overpass), December 17, 1963:
“Mr. Skelton noticed that as an open limousine turn
ed on Elm Street, it
had moved approximately one hundred feet at which t
ime he noticed
dust spray up from the street in front of the car o
n the driver’s side. This
dust spray came from the direction of the Texas Sch
ool Book Depository
building.” [FBI report: CD205]
Virgie Baker
(Rackley)
(on the north side of Elm Street, in front of the
Texas School Book Depository), March 22, 1964: “Wel
l, after he passed us, then we heard a noise and I thought it was fire
crackers, because I
saw a shot or something hit the pavement.” (Mr. Lie
beler: “And you heard
[sic: presumably should be “saw”] that immediately
after the first noise;
is that right?”) Mrs. Baker: “Yes.” [Later:] Mrs. B
aker: “This was a big
sign here and a small sign here.” (Mr. Liebeler: “A
nd you think that it
was approximately near the first sign?”) Mrs. Baker
: “As I can remember,
it was.” (Mr. Liebeler: “As you went down Elm Stree
t [sic] that you saw
this thing hit the street—what did it look like whe
n you saw it?”)
Mrs. Baker: “Well, as I said, I thought it was a fi
recracker. It looked just
like you could see the sparks from it ...” [Later:] (
Mr. Liebeler: “You
thought it was sort of toward the middle of the lan
e?”) Mrs. Baker: “To-
ward the middle of the lane.” (Mr. Liebeler: “Of th
e left-hand lane going
toward the triple underpass; is that right?”) Mrs.
Baker: “Yes.” [Later:]
(Mr. Liebeler: “You saw this thing hit the street b
efore the second shot; is
that correct?”) Mrs. Baker: “Yes, sir; yes.” (Mr. L
iebeler: “Are you abso-
lutely sure of that?”) Mrs. Baker: “I hope I am—I k
now I am.” [Later:]
(Mr. Liebeler: “In any event, you are quite clear i
n your mind that you
saw this thing hit before you heard the second shot
?”) Mrs. Baker: “Yes.”
(Mr. Liebeler: “So, if what you saw hitting the str
eet was, in fact, a bullet,
it would have been the first shot?”) Mrs. Baker: “Y
es.” [Warren Comission
testimony, 7H508, 509, 510, 513]
Royce Skelton
(on top of the triple overpass), April 8, 1964: “...
I thought
that they were these dumbbells that they throw at t
he cement because I
could see the smoke coming up off the cement.” (Mr.
Ball: “You saw some
smoke come off the cement?”) Mr. Skelton: “Yes.” [L
ater:] Mr. Skelton: “I
will waive my signature. I am sure it is all right.
” (Mr. Ball: “That is fine.
Thank you very much.”) Mr. Skelton: “There’s one th
ing I could say—you
have that other report?” (Mr. Ball: “What is that”)
Mr. Skelton: “About
when I saw one of the bullets where it hit on the p
avement and it hit, the
smoke did come from the general vicinity of where y
ou say Oswald was.”
(Mr. Ball: “Wait a minute—let me ask you some quest
ions about that.
Tell me, now, about the smoke—did you see some smok
e?”) Mr. Skelton:
“After those two shots, and the car came on down cl
oser to the triple un-
derpass, well, there was another shot—two more shot
s I heard, but one
of them—I saw a bullet, or I guess it was a bullet—
I take for granted it
was—hit in the left front of the President’s car on
the cement, and when
it did, the smoke carried with it—away from the bui
lding.” (Mr. Ball: “You
mean there was some smoke in the building?”) Mr. Sk
elton: “No; on the
pavement—you know, pavement when it is hit with a h
ard object it will
scatter—it will spread.” (Mr. Ball: “Which way did
it spread?) Mr. Skelton:
“It spread just right in line, like you said.” (Mr.
Ball: “I haven’t said any-
thing—tell me what you think it was?”) Mr. Skelton:
“Like I said—south
of us—it would be southwest, you know, in a direct
line from the Texas
Depository.” (Mr. Ball: “I see. In other words, the
spray seemed to go to
the west; is that right?”) Mr. Skelton: “Yes.” [War
ren Commission testi-
mony: 6H237]
Groucho schrieb:Da der fragliche Schuss eben nicht der erste war(oder war er das doch?), wird niemand auf irgendwelche Rasenstücke geschaut haben, sondern sich nach dem möglichen snipernest umgeschaut haben.
bredulino schrieb:Nach den ersten 1, 2 Schüssen
Angelkiller2 schrieb:Schön ist : DU kannst es auch nicht !
