Die Personen publizierten 1964- 67 ihre ersten kritischen Artikel oder Bücher zur WC. Das war sozusagen die erste Generation der Kritiker. Das Sachbuch "Praise from a future generation" beschäftigt sich allein mit dieser:EC145 schrieb:Von den genannten Namen kenne Ich leider keinen.
Danke für den Link- nur wurden nicht alle Dokumente wie angekündigt veröffentlicht...Kaya73 schrieb:@alle die es interessiert ...In Amerika wurden gestern 2800 Dokumente über die Ermittlung des Todes von JFK veröffentlicht, die bisher unter Verschluss waren...
The President has determined that all information that remains withheld under section 5 must be reviewed again before October 26, 2021 to determine whether continued withholding from disclosure is necessary.Warten die ab, bis alle Ex-Geheimdienstmitarbeiter, die 1963 irgendwas wussten, weggestorben sind?
welchen Sinn?
Because it's the 25th anniversary of the passage of the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992. But the significance goes beyond the normal anniversary nostalgia. Here is a section from the JFK Records Act:https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featured_Mark_the_Date.html
"Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full, and available in the Collection no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of the enactment of this Act....."
Das Buch ist ok, aber die Buchbewertung finde ich jetzt etwas zu unkritisch. Wenn man nur ein Buch zum Attentat auf RFK lesen will, dann würde ich eher "R.F.K. Must Die! Chasing the Mystery of the Robert Kennedy Assassination" von Robert Kaiser empfehlen. Das Buch von Kaiser deckt viel mehr ab als das Buch von Fernando Faura, das sich (fast) "nur" um das Mysterium um die Frau im gepunkteten Kleid dreht.
Was ist ihr zu unkritisch?emodul schrieb:Das Buch ist ok, aber die Buchbewertung finde ich jetzt etwas zu unkritisch.
Was steht denn im Klappentext? Wie wird das Buch denn beworben? Es scheint sich ja um einen rein persönlichen Erlebnisbericht über seine Suche nach der Frau im gepunkteten Kleid zu handeln. Folglich ist klar, dass nur gewisse Aspekte abgedeckt werden. Von einem Erlebnisbericht eines Auschwitz-Überlebenden erwartet man auch nicht unbedingt die Abdeckung aller Aspekte des Holocaust inklusive Daten zu Himmler, Eichmann, Wannseekonferenz etc.
Richtig, das Buch dreht sich primär um die Suche nach der Frau im gepunkteten Kleid, die von mehreren Augenzeugen gesehen wurde und dann vom LAPD während den Ermittlungen irgendwann zum Fantasieprodukt erklärt wurde, weil man sie nicht finden konnte. Dahinter muss nicht einmal böse Absicht stecken, vermutlich war es eher Unvermögen, bzw. die Absicht, Verschwörungstheorien schon im Keim zu ersticken. Man wollte kein zweites Dallas.
Das Buch, das ich ja als lesenswert eingestuft habe, wirkt teilweise "unfertig". Vor allem gegen Ende des Buches hat man das Gefühl, dass einige gute Spuren (aus welchen Gründen auch immer) nicht verfolgt wurden. Faura erklärt das damit, dass das Life Magazine kein Interesse mehr an weiteren Ermittlungen hatte, nachdem es Druck von aussen gegeben hätte und ausserdem fürchtete er um seine Kinder, seine Familie. Das sind sicher gute Gründe, diese Spuren nicht weiter zu verfolgen, aber so bleibt halt ein schaler Nachgeschmack.
Das wird auch in der Buchkritik thematisiert- warum soll sie dann "zu unkritisch" sein?
Das mag sein, nur was ist nun an der Buchkritik "zu unkritisch"? Wenn das Buch als persönlicher Erlebnisbericht vermarktet wurde, wurd das Buch auch anhand entsprechender Kritierien bewertet- und nicht daran, ob es alle Bereiche abdeckt oder Spuren bis zum Ende verfolgt werden
Turner and Christian, in the must-read The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: The Conspiracy and the Coverup, point out that BUTLER WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE COORDINATION OF A BLAME IT ON CASTRO PRESS CONFERENCE FOLLOWING THE MURDER OF RFK IN 1968.http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/10679-ed-butler-and-oswald-in-new-orleans/?do=findComment&comment=135025
A cuban exile who gave his name as Major Jose Antonio Duarte tried to say that Sirhan had accused him of being a CIA agent when Duarte had spoken out against Castro at a leftist political meeting on May 21. Thus did Duarte imply that Sirhan was working on behalf of pro-Castro Cubans. No pubications believed it save one: The Anaheim Bulletin, which published the a strory about Duarte's allegations in its June 11, 1968 edition.
The authors write that in time the LAPD "discredited Duarte's identification of Sirhan by producing a look-alike Iranian student who had been at the leftist
meeting and recalled being involved in the altercation. HOWEVER THE ENTIRE SCENARIO STRUCK US AS ALL TOO FAMILIAR(my emph)" The authors then point out that Butler coordinated both the Duarte Press conference following the RFK assassination in 1968, and much of the PR that attempted to make a similar pro-castro association with Oswald in NO in 1963.
The authors claim that both Butler and another right wing PR agent neame Anthony Hilder were funded by Patrick J FrawleyJr. (see Frawley thread) They also state that Frawley funded LA right wing Democrat (and soon to be Republican) mayor Sam Yorty. Yorty was a member of the American Security Council.
NOTE: if you have a copy of Turner and Christians' book I strongly recommend rereading pp. 55-60. There are so many incredible connections that need further tracking down in these pages! If you don't have this book it is a MUST READ and is easy to get as it was recently reprinted. Also Jim De Eugenio sp? has a very interesting essay on the history of its suppressed publication.
Any details on the Anaheim Bulletin? Bet they had an interesting definition of a muckraker!
As someone on that thread noted, this was near the beginning of the Garrison investigation, and later Dodd almost certainly changed his stated position of Garrison. What interested me however was his using the Garrison investigation as a vehicle to reintroduce the Ed Butler associated allegations about ties between Oswald and anti-Castro Cubans. As jerry Shinley also points out, 1967 was not a good year for Dodd: "Disgruntled staffers had copied his records and given them to columnist Drew Pearson. The Senate was considering a censure vote on various charges, including diverting funds raised at testimonial campaign dinners to purely personal use. "http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/10679-ed-butler-and-oswald-in-new-orleans/?do=findComment&comment=135417
It was around this time (?) that Butler moved to Southern California.
Interestingly Sen Dodd's subcommittee that investigated arms through the mail used Manny Pena-- at that time working as an investigator for the LAPD, and If I am not mistaken, already with ties to the CIA in 1963 (please correct me here if I am wrong, it is possible that we do not have proof that Pena was already with the LEIU in 1963)-- to help with the investigation of Oswald's mail order rifle.
Pena and Butler would both figure in the RFK assassination. Butler would stage a press conference with the aim of tying Sirhan Sirhan to Pro-Castro Cubans. Pena was one of two top LAPD-LEIU CIA connected detectives who were the lead investigators in the RFK assassination.
Sen Dodd was also associated with the right wing evangelical preacher Dr. Fred Schwartz of Orange County. I seem to recall other close associates of the Dodd's in the Orange County area, although I could be making too much of this. These connections would seem to flow from the Southern California and Connecticut's common interest in defense spending. Southern California, of course was also perhaps the epicenter of activity by the John Birch Society.
In 1963, as head of the Senate's Juvenile Delinquency Subcommittee, Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut was experimenting with ordering arms from mail order houses in an attempt to gather information allowing Congress to stem unregulated traffic. Senator Dodd instituted the program on behalf of Colt and other small firearms producers in Connecticut who complained of foreign imports. Oswald might have participated in this program. Dodd, a former FBI agent and long-time J. Edgar Hoover loyalist, was also a leading member of the Cuba Lobby (which grew out of the right-wing, red-hunting, China Lobby) through which he was in touch with some of the same Cuban-exile mercenaries as Oswald. He was also investigating the FPCC in which Oswald may have been an infiltrator.http://www.famoustexans.com/leeharveyoswald.htm
According to a standard textbook by criminologist Charles O'Hara, we can see how Oswald, working in a legitimate undercover capacity for Dodd, could have easily been manipulated into simultaneous conspiracies involving a Mannlicher-Carcano: "In the investigation of subversive activities and systematic thefts undercover operations are almost indispensable. / Undercover work is most successfully used when there is knowledge that certain persons are engaged in criminal activity, but proof which may be used as evidence is lacking...The effective undercover agent is, perhaps, the only means of obtaining detailed information concerning a subversive group or organization."
Two of the gun mail-order houses Dodd's subcommittee was investigating were the ones from which Oswald allegedly ordered his Smith and Wesson .38 revolver (Seaport Traders of Los Angeles) and his Mannlicher-Carcano carbine (Klein's of Chicago). Oswald ordered his pistol two days before Dodd's subcommittee began hearings on the matter on January 29, 1963. The subcommittee's sample statistics later showed a purchase in Texas made from Seaport Traders. One of the groups being investigated for firearm purchases was one whose members Oswald had in his address book, the American Nazi Party. One of the investigators looking into interstate firearms sales at this time was Manuel Pena, the Los Angeles police lieutenant who was later one of the pivotal officers investigating Robert Kennedy's assassination. It was Pena who traced Oswald's telescopic sight to a California gun shop. And one of the primary culprits, robbing domestic manufacturers of profits, was the Mannlicher-Carcano.
On the day Kennedy was assassinated, Dodd considered the tragedy a personal victory, bragging about his friendship with the "new" administration, grieving only over "the damage he [Kennedy] did to us in three years." But we still await author George Michael Evica's proof that, "Beyond speculation...I have learned that according to two unimpeachable sources, Senator Thomas Dodd indeed caused at least one Mannlicher Carcano to be ordered in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald (or in the name of 'Alek Hidell') sometime in 1963."
After the assassination, Dodd, using CIA sources, helped the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee publish a story that Oswald had been trained at a KGB assassination school in Minsk. At the time, Dodd was on the payroll of the American Security Council, "the leading public group campaigning to use U.S. military force to oust Castro from Cuba, and to escalate the war in Vietnam."
Es gibt einige Bücher zum Thema. Ich kenne nur ein paar wenige. Auf alle von dir eingestellten Zitate kann ich deshalb jetzt auch nicht eingehen, weil das zum Teil recht widersprüchlich dargestellt wird, je nach dem wer das thematisiert.
"The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: The Conspiracy and the Coverup" von William Turner und John Christian
Duarte war (nach eigenen Angaben) Teilnehmer der "Schweinebuchtinvasion" und bei dem besagten Anlass (Meeting of the Peace and Freedom Party) sprach er während einer Dia-Show darüber. Er wurde von einem jungen Teilnehmer darauf als "Söldner" beschimpft. Es gab eine hitzige Diskussion und die zwei schrien sich gegenseitig an. Duarte behauptete später, dass es sich bei dem jungen Teilnehmer um Sirhan Sirhan gehandelt hätte.
Offenbar lag er damit aber falsch, wie er später bei einer Gegenüberstellung mit Reza Jalalipour zugeben musste.
was wird denn "widersprüchlich dargestellt"?
dass er falsch lag drückt auch schon das Zitat aus
das steht auch nicht im Widerspruch zum Zitat
