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PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT
Jackson Brothers Talk Childhood, Brother Michael and Upcoming Tour
Aired May 10, 2012 - 21:00 ETPIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST, PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT: [ .... ]
And a primetime worldwide exclusive with the Jacksons, Jackie, Jermaine, Marlon and Tito back together again on stage after nearly 30 years. And for the first time since their brother Michael's tragic death.
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TITO JACKSON: I think our first challenge getting back to the stage would be something in the celebration of 40 years of show business.
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MORGAN: When we come back, my primetime exclusive interview with the Jacksons, together again and performing on stage after nearly three decades.
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MORGAN: The Jackson 5 recording I Want You Back. It was their first release on Motown. After they left Motown, they became the Jackson's. Now they're going on tour for the first time in almost three decades and paying tribute to their brother, Michael.
Joining me now for a primetime exclusive, Tito, Jackie, Marlon, and Jermaine Jackson. It's their first interview together since Michael's death.
Welcome to you all.
JERMAINE JACKSON: Thank you.
MORGAN: It's fantastic to see you.
JE. JACKSON: It's great to see you.
MORGAN: It's a real thrill. You know I grew up with your music. You know, I mean the moment I hear that I want to get up and start but I won't because no one wants to see that.
But it's also -- it's a bittersweet moment because seeing the four of you together without Michael, you know for everyone that loved all you guys, a very bittersweet moment but for you in particular, this was your brother. How does it feel for you going back on tour, on the road and Michael's no longer here?
JE. JACKSON: Well, we miss him. We're excited to keep the legacy going, the music going. But we miss him so much. But it's something that he would want us to do is to keep it going.
And I guess the challenge, right, guys, was trying to decide what music we were going to do. That was the biggest challenge.
JACKIE JACKSON: That's what the fans wanted us to tour. You know after getting so many e-mails from the fans around the world. I think we owe it to them as well to go out there and perform for our fans. They wanted to -- they want to sing the songs with us and entertain, so ...
MARLON JACKSON: I think with the brothers and each one of us might have, you know our own reason of why -- how we feel on stage without having our brother up there. Because so many years we've always performed and he was right there.
So for me, you know when I'm on stage, I think -- I think about well, Michael used to be right here and now he's no longer but in spirit he will be there with us.
MORGAN: And Tito, how do you feel?
T. JACKSON: Well, I agree with Marlon with what he was saying. What's beautiful about this tour is that we're going to be doing some of the venues that we played prior to Motown like Apollo theatre.
JA. JACKSON: Oh, we're excited about that.
MORGAN: In New York.
JE. JACKSON: We started there.
T. JACKSON: So many shows with Michael prior to I Want You Back made me see so.
JA. JACKSON: Six shows a day, six shows a day.
T. JACKSON: Yes, we know -- we know he'll be there with us.
MORGAN: Six shows a day?
JA. JACKSON: Six shows a day.
MORGAN: Is that right?
JE. JACKSON: Yes.
M. JACKSON: (INAUDIBLE) trying to make it, yes.
MORGAN: Well, tell me this. I mean, we'll come back to Michael a little later but when you think of the Jacksons -- I suppose the impression that everybody has is that you guys never really had a childhood.
This thing exploded when you were young and that you've all in some way been damaged by that fact that you never had the chance to be normal. And yet, I've only just met three of you now, I've met Jermaine before. You seem remarkably undamaged on the outside.
You seem like happy guys.
JA. JACKSON: (INAUDIBLE).
MORGAN: I'm not looking (INAUDIBLE) at people and thinking you guys are damaged. So what is the truth about being a Jackson.
M. JACKSON: Well, what is abnormal? See what is abnormal?
MORGAN: Well, that's a very good point.
T. JACKSON: You know, my theory on all of that is that I've always said that I think my father prepared us for manhood. You're only a child up to 18 but you have the rest of your life to be a man. And he prepared us to be men for that extra ...
MORGAN: Well, he's had a tough rap.
T. JACKSON: ... 40 or 50 years.
MORGAN: Yes.
T. JACKSON: You know we -- we're men.
MORGAN: Has he had too hard a rap, your father? I mean I've interviewed Jermaine. I've interviewed Latoya, Janet.
T. JACKSON: I think so. I feel so, for sure. Absolutely.
MORGAN: Yes, because I can tell you now, I've done an interview with your mother, which is airing on Monday, which is an extraordinary interview.
M. JACKSON: Yes.
MORGAN: She's an extraordinary woman but of the many things she said, which I found extraordinary it was her defense of her husband, your father, which I found one of the most moving. She was like, when you guys grew up, where you grew up, you had a choice as parents. You let your kids run riot, go out on the streets and get into trouble, and end up maybe getting shot or jailed or whatever it may be, or you got a grip of your children and you disciplined them and you gave them another life.
JA. JACKSON: Gave us chores to do. Yeah.
MORGAN: How do you honestly feel? Do you feel your father went too far on occasion? Or do you now -- now that you are older and you have had kids, some of you yourselves, do you get it?
JA. JACKSON: I get it totally. When you are a kid, sometimes you feel your father has gone too far, because you are a kid. But now when you look back, he's done a wonderful job. Look where we are.
M. JACKSON: I think when you have so many kids in the family. I mean we were -- have -- what was it, 11 of us in the home in Gary, Indiana. So somewhere along the way, you have to have a grip on the family. And he saw something in -- let me rephrase that. I'm going to put it, my mom saw something in her kids that my father did not see, which was they have some type of talent.
After convincing him over a few months that their ids do have talent, and once she did that and convinced them, then it was on for us.
MORGAN: When you say that -- as you sit here now, you're all in your late 50s, 60 in one -- you are the oldest right?
JA. JACKSON: I'm the oldest.
MORGAN: You are weathering well. How old are you, 60, 61?
JA. JACKSON: Sixty one.
MORGAN: All of you. Give me all your ages, come on.
T. JACKSON: 58.
M. JACKSON: Fifty five.
JE. JACKSON: Fifty seven.
MORGAN: You are all -- I've got to say, guys, you are aging well, like a fine bottle of Chattletour (ph). You get -- exactly. Exactly what I'm thinking. Again, I come back to your upbringing, because we can come to what happened next a little later. But do you think that -- when you see your father now, because he's such an extraordinary iconic figure I think in American entertainment.
He's the guy who has always had the mean tough guy reputation. Brutalizing his children, driving them to fame and fortune. The more I talk to people around your family, the less I feel that. The more I feel like he just wanted you guys to come out of life well.
JE. JACKSON: He got behind us. He supported us.
MORGAN: How do you get along with him now?
JE. JACKSON: Very well.
M. JACKSON: He kept us busy. He used to work two jobs. When he was away, we had cylinder blocks in our backyard. He made us move them -- I mean, we had hundreds of them. We had to move them from one side of the yard to the other side. That took all day.
After you get older and you realize what he was doing, just keeping you out of the streets.
MORGAN: What are the values he instilled in you, do you think?
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JE. JACKSON: Respect other people.
M. JACKSON: Respect other people is the main one.
JE. JACKSON: Be honest and doing what you're told to do exactly how you're told to do it. And just be -- just the discipline.
MORGAN: Your mother said to me -- again, this is not airing until Monday, so it's slightly in reverse. But I think it's relevant. She said to me that she despairs in modern America in terms of parental control of children. That now you can't do anything to discipline your kids without sometimes kids ringing up and complaining about their own parents.
She said unfairly. Obviously sometimes there is fairly. And there is abuse out there and so on. But she felt strongly that there isn't enough discipline.
M. JACKSON: I don't think kids today respect adults the way they did when we were coming up as kids. I think that's important. I see kids today, they don't step aside and let their older -- elderly go in front of them or pass them, open doors for them.
They have no sense of that. That comes from in our house. Your parents instilling values and things of that nature in the kids. It's not happening, because sometimes the parents are too busy trying to be kids themselves.
MORGAN: Totally agree. Let's take a break, chaps. Let's come back and talk about -- a bit more about Michael. I want to know what plans you have for the tour, how you're going to remember him. There is a suggestion you're going to have some kind of hologram of him on stage.
OK, well, let's get to the truth behind all the rumors that are flying after the break.
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MORGAN: The Jacksons performing "I'll Be There" during the Motown 25th Anniversary Special, back in 1983. I am joined by the four Jackson brothers. when you see there, I mean, I've got brothers. And I think if my little brother had suddenly broken out as this huge megastar, part of me would be really irritated.
Were you? Be honest, lads.
JE. JACKSON: No.
M. JACKSON: No.
MORGAN: No little part of you going, why him? He's the little one.
JE. JACKSON: You see that? That was the platform of the Jackson 5. That's what started it all. It gave him that platform to do what he did.
MORGAN: When you saw how phenomenal Michael became as a global superstar, I mean, arguably the most famous entertainer of them all ever, and I would include Elvis and the Beatles -- when you saw that, did you worry about him, knowing that he is your little brother? Did you worry that it was too much for one person to take?
JE. JACKSON: We had worries about just -- later during the circle of people, but not so much of what he was achieving. We knew that he knew what to do. But it was just certain people around that we weren't too happy about.
MORGAN: And the circumstances leading up to his death, I know for legal reasons we can't get into too much of this. But were you guys concerned about what was happening in his life? The build up to the tour, 50 dates, huge commitment for someone like Michael, with the energy he puts into those show.
I mean, how did you feel as brothers?
JA. JACKSON: Well, I was wondering how he was going to do 50 dates, first of all. I said if he is going to do that, we can give him some help. Just call the brothers and we can --
M. JACKSON: Jackie wanted to get up on stage.
MORGAN: Did you feel he was OK and himself?
JA. JACKSON: I thought he was fine, yeah. He was fine. He was very fine.
M. JACKSON: I think you have to pace yourself. I don't know if he was, you know -- you know, being rushed to make sure that they're -- the time was coming of being rushed into things. But health wise, he was fine.
MORGAN: What do you feel, Tito, about Conrad Murray?
T. JACKSON: Well, I feel that -- like we're supposed to have forgiving hearts. Doesn't mean I have to forget.
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MORGAN: Do you forgive him?
T. JACKSON: Sure, I forgive him. I am supposed to.
MORGAN: Do you all feel that way?
JE. JACKSON: No.
MORGAN: You don't, Jermaine?
JE. JACKSON: No, I don't feel that way at all.
MORGAN: What do you feel?
JE. JACKSON: I feel like it's just negligence and not on his -- it's on his part plus others. And we're yet to know what really, really happened. But I'm not -- I'm a forgiving person, but not when it comes to that.
MORGAN: Tito, how can you forgive him? He's your little brother.
T. JACKSON: I'm not saying that I'm not upset about what happened. But I can't go around angry and upset and want to get revenge and all these things like that. You know, things happen and I'm made to forgive. So I have to forgive.
It doesn't mean I have to forget. I haven't forgot what happened. It hurts me dearly. Were there some terrible things done? Absolutely. But I have to forgive. I can't be angry.
MORGAN: You know, that's interesting. I interviewed a number of Conrad Murray's patients who all defended him to the hilt. The impression I got, looking from the outside, was that he got offered a massive payday and it may have clouded his judgment, a judgment that until then had been very sound, and that something just went wrong with him. And he was cutting corners and doing stuff with Michael he shouldn't have been doing in a private home. That was how it seemed to me.
JE. JACKSON: I agree with that. There is so much we can talk about when it comes to this. And --
JE. JACKSON: That's just not all of it, though. It's just the beginning.
M. JACKSON: I will say this, and I think my brothers will concur. You know, as time goes on, it's a little healing, but there's a void that will always be in your heart, because your brother is not here any more.
JA. JACKSON: Exactly.
MORGAN: But it has to be a huge void, because he was -- you know you all loved your brother. To the rest of the world, he was Michael Jackson the superstar. For you guys, you'd all been huge stars yourselves. But he was your little brother in the end. Nothing can change that. That is your feeling towards him.
JA. JACKSON: Just how you phrase that; people look at Michael as the big superstar. But to him, us he was just our brother. That's how it was, our brother.
And he is a big superstar, for years.
MORGAN: How did you feel about all the trials and tribulations he went through? The accusations, The molestation charge, all that kind of thing, did it have a very bad impact on him, do you think?
JE. JACKSON: Yes.
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M. JACKSON: I think what we do here on planet Earth is that we are too quick to judge. I think the lord put us on the Earth to love one another, not to judge one another. That's his job to do, to judge people. When you do leave this planet, you are going to be judged on what you have done for yourself -- I mean not for yourself, what you've done for others, the things that you've done, and not for ridiculing people and things of that nature.
That's what we do. That's what we do wrong.
MORGAN: Let's take another break. Let's come back and talk about the tour. And let's talk about happier things with Michael, about the kind of music you are going to be playing. I want to know what your favorite Jackson songs were. I have a whole long list myself. But I want to know. I want to find which one each of you would choose.
JE. JACKSON: And we want to know your favorite.
MORGAN: We'll be right back.
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MORGAN: The Jacksons on their Victory Tour in 1984, performing "Shake Your Body." That was the last time the brother ever performed on tour together. That is my favorite Jackson song.
M. JACKSON: "Shake Your Body"?
MORGAN: Yes. And I have shaken my body all over the world to that song, in a terrible manner, certainly not in the way you guys did. Here's what strikes me about you four: the -- even in the commercial breaks, you're just great mates, aren't you? Even now, despite everything you have been through.
I am supposed to be looking at these tormented, ruined souls, destroyed by fame, fortune. You know, you're the Jackson, apparently the most dysfunctional family out there.
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MORGAN: Here's a secret I've unraveled from interviewing half of you: you are no more dysfunctional than most families I know. In fact, if anything, you're less dysfunctional. Do you feel -- You laugh when you hear that. But does it make you laugh when --
M. JACKSON: It makes you laugh.
MORGAN: -- assumes you're so dysfunctional. Here I see four brothers getting along great.
JA. JACKSON: They don't know us.
M. JACKSON: They don't know us.
MORGAN: Is there anything weird about you, Marlon.
JA. JACKSON: He is the funniest guy in the world right here. This guy right here.
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MORGAN: Do you ever have arguments?
JA. JACKSON: Of course. Of course.
MORGAN: When was the last time you actually physically fought?
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JA. JACKSON: We don't fight like that.
MORGAN: You don't do that?
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JA. JACKSON: We might put on boxing gloves.
MORGAN: Who would win if you were to fight?
JE. JACKSON: I would.
JA. JACKSON: Me.
MORGAN: You all say you would win. OK. Let's cut to the real story, the favorite Jackson song of them all? Tito?
T. JACKSON: I like the old stuff, like "I Want You Back" and "ABC," "The Love You Save," the Motown stuff.
MORGAN: I love that. But here's the deal with this question: you can only have one song.
T. JACKSON: One song? "I Want You Back."
JA. JACKSON: "I'll Be There."
M. JACKSON: Since Jackie took one of mine, I'm going to say -- go to Jermaine.
JE. JACKSON: No, Marlon, because you're going to say the same thing I say. Go. Go.
M. JACKSON: I like "Maybe Tomorrow." .
MORGAN: Yes, great call.
JE. JACKSON: No. "Never Can Say Good-Bye."
MORGAN: Really?
JE. JACKSON: Yes.
MORGAN: But you see, there's so many to choose from, aren't there? Are we going to hear all these on the tour?
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T. JACKSON: Yes.
MORGAN: All the hits?
T. JACKSON: Yes.
JE. JACKSON: We're very excited, Piers. We're very excited because there are so many songs. Right, guys? Taking through so many -- there's songs that -- my God, that we know, like "Looking Through The Windows," that we performed with Michael. And now we're doing it now.
MORGAN: Let me ask you about that. How are you going to commemorate Michael on tour, in terms of the actual tour, do you think?
M. JACKSON: I don't think you really can. I mean, you just have to -- Michael is the best --
JA. JACKSON: -- pictures and there will be songs.
MORGAN: The hologram thing is a rumor that's not true?
JA. JACKSON: Here's what happened. I did an interview one time.
JE. JACKSON: Jackie started this thing.
JA. JACKSON: No, I didn't.
JE. JACKSON: Yes, you did.
JA. JACKSON: Will there be a hologram of Michael. I said no, nothing like that, but maybe later on some other tours in the future, there might be something like that. The next day, it was all over the papers that Michael was going to be a hologram on tour.
MORGAN: You started all that?
JE. JACKSON: He started all that.
MORGAN: But one thing's for sure, he will be there in spirit with you guys. It will be an incredibly moving experience, I think. You have announced three shows at the moment. June 18th, Louisville, Kentucky; June 28, New York at the Apollo -- that will be amazing. I'm coming to that. You going to sort me some good seats? I want to be there for that. And 22nd of July, Los Angeles.
M. JACKSON: Can we bring you on the stage?
MORGAN: Yes.
M. JACKSON: Can we bring you on the stage for "Shake Your Body?"
MORGAN: Yes! Now you're talking. Guys, we are talking. Listen, best of luck with the tour.
M. JACKSON: Thank you.
JE. JACKSON: Thank you.
MORGAN: It is going to be very exciting. I think a lot of fans out there can't wait to see this. Great to see you all back. Great to see you looking not very dysfunctional.
JA. JACKSON: OK, thank you.
MORGAN: Send my regards to all the family. And I appreciate you coming in. Good luck, guys.
M. JACKSON: We want to tell the fans out there we love them, and thank you for supporting our family. We really appreciate it.
MORGAN: Well, they can come and see you in action, which is what they would love more than ever. Guys, thank you all very much. Jacksons, a great interview.
And on Monday night, I sit down with their mother, Katherine Jackson. It's an exclusive and extraordinarily emotional hour with the woman who knew Michael Jackson better than anybody else. Listen to what she said about his death.
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MORGAN: Will you ever get over this, Katherine, do you think?
KATHERINE JACKSON, MOTHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Never. Every morning, all through the day, I think about Michael. If I wake up through the night, my mind is there. But --
MORGAN: What do you think when you think of him?
K. JACKSON: I just miss him. But being a Christian and believing in the resurrection, I feel that I'll see him again. I'm sorry. I just --
MORGAN: It's perfectly understandable. You're his mother, you know. It -- I can't imagine a worse thing. I'm a parent myself, to four kids. I can't even imagine how horrendous it must be to lose a child.
It's so unnatural, isn't it?
K. JACKSON: Yes, it is. And I've -- and it should be.
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MORGAN: Katherine Jackson also makes some explosive charges about Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Michael's death.
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MORGAN: What are your feelings towards Dr. Conrad Murray? Do you blame him?
K. JACKSON: You know what? I can't even describe the way I feel about him. He did a terrible thing. And it might have been others involved. I don't know that. But I feel that. You know, I'd rather not answer that question.
The only thing he did -- for a person's life, four years in jail is not enough.
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MORGAN: That's my world exclusive interview with Katherine Jackson on Monday night. Coming up, Only in America.
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