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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

30 Beiträge, Schlüsselwörter: Religion, Destiny, Point Of View, Sense
Banana_Joe
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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

05.10.2013 um 17:49
There are many different points of view.

One is:
Religion is like a penis!

It's ok to have one
It's ok to be proud of it

However

Do not pull out it in public
Do not push it on children
Do not write laws with it
Do not think with it
This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
Dalai Lama
Others are:
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
C. S. Lewis

Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams - they all have different names, but they all contain water. Just as religions do - they all contain truths.
Muhammad Ali

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
Napoleon Bonaparte

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

Muhammad

O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person, except in piety.

Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad
Whats your point of view?

Does one of the quotes above accord with your opinion?

Tell why...


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

05.10.2013 um 18:13
Religion is like your mother language
you born with it
you learn it
and you cant forget it
it is a manifestation. A bad manifestation
it based on fear. It control with fear
It not brings freedom... see the news from this year.... religion brutality overall
Ok, Religion is not bad, what we do with Religion is bad.


English is not my mother language.. sorry for that :)


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Banana_Joe
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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

05.10.2013 um 18:28
@99ProzHetero


Most of us aren't native speakers and this isn't a problem, as long as we understand each other.

Your English is absolutely comprehensible to me and your point of view is clearly revealed.
Furthermore I agree with you, but I would even go one step further. I would say religion is bad, because it is more about rules, laws and so on, then about faith. So, faith is good, but what we do with faith, namely creating religions of it, is bad..


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

05.10.2013 um 19:08
@Banana_Joe Naise, that you can understand me :) Understand my english and my point of view.
Exactly, the religions with rules are absolutley bad. All or the most religions have rules. In my view, this rules are nonsense. Which god will do this? Which god will punish you, because you born in a family, which are follower of the "wrong" religion. This would absolutly childlike, for a force that create this complex world and feels.


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05.10.2013 um 19:41
@Banana_Joe

I fully agree with you. Religion is as much useful as dog shit on the bottom of someones shoe.

I am an agnostic and there's no better way to deal with the possibility of the existence of gods, higher power or whatever you want to call such entities. If there is something like that, then we won't be it's only creation and furthermore this higher power will not be willing to bend itself to gods and religions made up by people. In fact, that would be rather silly for an omnipotent being.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

06.10.2013 um 07:53
@El_Gato
El_Gato schrieb:If there is something like that, then we won't be it's only creation and furthermore this higher power will not be willing to bend itself to gods and religions made up by people.
Exactly. This power even isn't willing to do anything. This power simply is, what it is. The beginning and the end. Α and Ω. Past as well as future. You as well as me. Darkness & light. Luck plus bad luck.
Transcendent Energy...


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

06.10.2013 um 10:06
You are misguided people and only recognizes the negative aspects of religion, because your preoccupied just so.
You only defamatory words left and the evidence of your Character


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

06.10.2013 um 10:52
@Lamm
Lamm schrieb:You only defamatory words left and the evidence of your Character
We've made defamatory statements and this reveals our true character, in other words we have a defamatory character? If this is the meaning of your statement above, well, then...

Congratulations! The award, for the most unintentionally ironic post of the day, goes to you.
Lamm schrieb:You are misguided people
Nevertheless I'm nosy. So, would you guide me, by telling more, about your point of view please.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

06.10.2013 um 14:36
@Lamm

What if I told you that YOU are blinded and misguided? That you are blinded by some ancient fairy tales made up by some folks that were frightened by natural forces and weren't able to explain them with other things than gods?

Your kind believes that all people go to hell who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and your stuck-up god but what will happen to those who never heard of your silly religion in the first place or lived well before that Jesus guy?

However, I do not fear the "judgement" of some made up god, because there cannot exist a god who behaves like some moron christians expect it to behave.

I am really glad that I don't believe in that silly bullshit anymore. It doesn't even make any sense.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 02:33
It is senseful. Like, really.
I don't even have to exaggarate things, one simple example is enough.
Imagine you are a father/mother, your child has cancer. The doctor says it is going to die. The person who is not faithful will (or has to) accept this fact and live with it.
The person who believes (no matter which religion) can pray, will pray, and still carry some hope. You'll fight and don't give up. Which way is better?


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 08:08
@Eraz
Eraz schrieb:Imagine you are a father/mother, your child has cancer. The doctor says it is going to die. The person who is not faithful will (or has to) accept this fact and live with it.
The person who believes (no matter which religion) can pray, will pray, and still carry some hope. You'll fight and don't give up. Which way is better?
The second way. The faithway. As I've mentionend
Banana_Joe schrieb:faith is good, but what we do with faith, namely creating religions of it, is bad..
I even would describe myself, as a believing person, a person who believes in something like god.

However, faith is not equal to religion and the deepest believer isn't necessarily religious.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 08:11
redundant.

what we understand as religion is merely a manifestation of a human virtue, the ability to recorgnize and comprehend or to refuse and misinterpret the divine cosmic order.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 19:31
@Banana_Joe
@El_Gato

This is what i'm talking about.
You are misguided people


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 19:33
@Lamm

So? Why should we care at all? What makes you think that your religion is the only one worth following? Because the bible says so?


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 19:39
@El_Gato

So ? You know me ?
What makes you think that I belong to a religion.
I follow not just a word, but many words from the Bible and also other words.


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07.10.2013 um 19:44
@Lamm

Your profile says it all. Or do you deny now that you're a christian? You can believe in whatever the fuck you want, I really don't give a damn. But you're crossing the line when you're trying to missionize. To say that people are misguided just because they don't believe in some made-up stories and supernatural beings is rather arrogant.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

07.10.2013 um 20:10
@Lamm

Calm down. I like the message of Jesus and I'm officially listed as a catholic. Anyhow, I wouldn't describe myself as religious but believing. Jesus didn't write the bible, Jesus wouldn't ever write a bible. I do good things because I want and not because I'd like to receive any heavenly reward. Think twice. What would Jesus say?


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

11.10.2013 um 01:11
@Banana_Joe

I totally get your point.
The thing is...a non-believing person will have to accept the doc's word. If he says there is no way your child can be saved he won't even think about having faith as he'll have to accept the fact


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

12.10.2013 um 22:19
"The light of divinity is not illuminating, but blinding."

- Master Demandred


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

13.10.2013 um 18:00
I don't belive in God. But I'm able to relate that faithful people can find sustenance in faith.


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Religions nowadays! Senseful or Senseless? - Boon or Bane?

15.10.2013 um 17:17
@Heimli1978
Heimli1978 schrieb:I don't belive in God
Well, I don't believe in the description of god, as it's commonly used in the bible or the koran or the tanach. But as I've mentioned before, God is transcendental, even the bible says, God moves in mysterious ways and I guess that most people who claim not to believe in God, just don't believe in the oversimplified imagination of God. Once these oversimplified imaginations were helpful to transport an easy but effective message to the uneducated, superstitious people. Nowadays most people are able to write, to read, have a few numeracy skills, they know some basics about natural sciences, wouldn't claim that most people are really educated today, but it's enough to decline the old imaginations of God.

So, you don't believe in God or do you not believe in a oversimplified imagination of God?


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