Thermal-Buoyancy power plant / Thermisches Auftriebskraftwerk

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I'm an English speaking American interested in the topic of the Auftriebskraftwerk (Rosch/GAIA buoyancy power plant).

I don't personally care one way or the other what language anyone uses in here, English, German, French, Spanish,... whatever, it's all easy enough to translate, if there is an actual interest in a topic, it's worth the bit of trouble, as if it were any trouble at all.

This thread is a little different in intent from the earlier thread: Auftriebskraftwerk in that I'm primarily interested in exploring the THERMAL aspects of this device or invention, which has been described from its earliest appearance as a "Stirling Engine" by some who appeared to be knowledgeable in regard the particulars of its construction and operation.

I am also not very interested in the Rosch/GAIA/Ki-Teck/Save the Planet etc. etc. organizations, businesses, corporations, groups, or whatever and their day to day activities, developments, business dealings, ethics, finances, corporate structure, board memberships, credibility, or any similar or related aspects of this device that others seem to be preoccupied with.

My personal view about this "buoyancy" generator is that if it works, or even APPEARS to SOMETIMES work, AT ALL, as a "self running" machine, whether producing any "excess" power output or not, the most likely explanation is that this is due to the conversion of HEAT into mechanical WORK. I am willing to entertain arguments to the contrary, but I have been researching and studying this topic for some time, have a pretty solid background in how Stirling Heat engines operate, as well as training is other heat/energy manipulating devices; heat pumps, cryocoolers, HVAC, refrigeration, etc. so convincing me that there is some OTHER explanation could prove to be rather difficult.

I'm also not interested in patenting, selling, or marketing the device or any variation or "improved" version. If anything, I would build my own. Mostly just out of curiosity, to see if it could work, or not, and/or to test my assumptions.

If it is ACTUALLY a THERMAL generator, the same as, or similar to a Stirling Heat engine, then it appears that those active in the development MAY not even be fully aware of this, or fully convinced of this themselves. Or perhaps they are keeping "the secret" under wraps, or intentionally diverting attention away from this rather obvious explanation, perhaps due to the fact that the Stirling engine was invented in 1816, so patenting the device on that basis would be problematic in terms of "prior art", aside from the "perpetual motion" issue.

A THERMAL explanation, however, has long been hinted at, and sometimes, by some, explicitly stated. For example:

Where does the energy come from?
Similar to a heat exchanger, the Kinetic Power Plant (KPP) system transforms energy.

Upon introduction of heat exchangers (heat pumps) to the market, they were initially thought to violate thermodynamic laws. However, we now understand how they work and have accepted the method of amplifying energy by using the heat potential in our surroundings.

The major technical innovation in a Kinetic Power Plant is a next-generation generator, with a COP <20, that requires less torque to produce electrical energy compared to a similar generator. Rosch Innovations scientists refer to it as an electromagnetic resonance reaction induced by the B3 field.

Rosch Innovations will provide a more in-depth explanation of the technology’s principle to actual clients or investors, but there are also some KPP secrets that can never be disclosed to anyone.

source: https://www.zilverstroom.com/english/ (emphasis added)

also: in 2014 the device was described as a Stirling Engine (Stirlingmotors) http://www.overunity.de/1797/rosch-auftriebskraftwerk-gaia-auftriebs-kraftwerk-wie-es-funktioniert

Having studied and built Stirling engines for about 29 years, I came to this same conclusion independently.

Assuming the device is a kind of Heat Engine or THERMAL engine, several possibilities for making various modifications and improvements present themselves. This is the main area I would like to explore, especially for or with anyone interested in a DIY (Do it yourself) type project.

My introduction to Stirling engines was in the 1980's upon reading this publication which was provided to me by a friend in the form of a mimeographed copy, just a few years after its publication:

https://www.echocommunity.org/resources/5f09d3ec-66fa-4f85-b78f-70f0d5ed9c85

A comparison between the "buoyancy generator" and a Stirling engine and/or Heat Pump (or some combination thereof) may not be immediately obvious, but it is my aim to show that there are parallels and/or similarities, at least in principle.

There are a few points worth taking note of in this report:

https://gaia.ws1.eu/files/doc/leaks/Evaluation-of-KPP-Technology.pdf

How the buoyancy canisters are filled:

"A special system of hoses and valves, introduces air to the containers at the
bottom of the circuit. The air expands as its depth decreases; finally displacing
all the water at the top of the tank."

This image is provided to illustrate the point:

“Water Jet” at containers
With this enhancement, the exiting water from the container, as it rises in the
water tank, helps to propel the container upward. The water has to leave the
container, since the air inside the container tends to expand as it rises, displacing
water in the process. The following drawing illustrates the concept.

Pulsing air at the compressor

“Rosch” claims that the air from the compressor is not injected continuously to the
containers, but “pulsed” or only when most efficient...

The various speculations about how the buoyancy device apparently does the "impossible" contrary to known laws of science, I think, can be ignored. The fact is, the writers of the report basically confess that they haven't got a clue, though believing they were able to rule out any possibility of fraud.


Included in the report is this thermal image of the compressor:





However no specific or general THERMAL evaluation of the system was undertaken or reported on. The purpose of the thermal imaging was merely to look for the heat signature of any possible "hidden wires".


This is an oversight, in that HEAT is certainly a form of energy, therefore the movement of heat into or out of the system needs to be taken into account in such an energy audit or evaluation.

At the very end of this video, literally at the last second or two it can be seen that there is a transition in the air line from flexible rubber hose to steal or cast iron pipe before going down through the water to the bottom of the tank.

Free Energy - Kinetic Power Plant public demonstration of start up and operation using air and water

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Of course, metal pipe conducts heat much more readily than rubber hose.

The hot compressed air then would be immediately quenched by the water in the tank, transferring the "heat of compression", cooling the air, allowing it to contract while heating up the water. Prior to that, the rubber hose would have a tendency to retain heat in the compressed hot air until it reached the metal pipe submerged in water.

In connection with this observation, there is another interesting "effect" mentioned in the literature:

The "Proell Effect"






another significant point is that the buoyancy canisters themselves were, at least originally, also steel:







Of course, steel, as an excellent conductor of heat can act to transfer heat in either direction. From the hot air in the steel pipe to the water, or from the hot water to the cold expanding air.

The direction of heat transfer depends upon the relative temperatures, just as it does in any other heat pump or refrigeration system or heat exchanger in a Stirling heat engine.

also worth noting above is that the compressed air is fed into the canisters through a "pressure reducing valve".





Anyone familiar with HVAC systems, heat pumps, refrigerators, or air conditioning could explain the significance of a "pressure reducing valve" as used in such systems. (otherwise known as an "expansion valve" as it is the restriction in the line that maintains the pressure of the compressed refrigerant on one side of the system, the hot side or condenser, but once the refrigerant passes through this restriction or valve the refrigerant is free to expand, cool, and absorb heat on the evaporator side of the system.

The above textual information was taken from the documents displayed in this video:

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Befor going on, I should touch on the significance also, of a mention of "the Proell Effect" in conection with the buoyancy generator.

The "Proell effect" is a term that was coined to describe or refer to the theories of Wayne Proell.

I happen to have his book on my nightstand:


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The subject matter of the book is how to build a Stirling engine or heat engine that is capable of exceeding the "Carnot efficiency limit" or in other words, how a heat engine could be constructed that would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

That is, "the Proell effect" is, as far as I'm aware, associated exclusively with the topic of Stirling heat engines, or more specifically, a heat engine build or designed, based on the theories contained in Wayne Proell's book, which I have here as a reference.

Thia is not intended to be an exhaustive review of Preoll's book or the so-called "Proell effect".

So skipping ahead to the final chapter, on page 408 we read:

A superengine in this chapter means an engine which will convert all ingested heat into work: a 100% conversion engine. As we discussed before, this requires a combination of a heat pump and a heat engine; heat engines alone, however efficient, are of limited excitement to us who see that superengines are the future.

An additional specification, gone into at some length, for several pages, is that "its intake for addition of heat from the environment" must be "below the environmental temperature". "Now we can design our system so that the heat deficiency needed to supply the pump comes from the environmental heat allowed to flow into the heat sink"

So far, I have not found any direct reference anywhere in Proell's book to Nikola Tesla, but Proell's words here echo precisely what Tesla wrote about heat pumps and heat engines in his "Increasing Human Energy" article published in Century Magazine in 1900.

That is, that by combining the features of a heat pump and a heat engine into one machine, the Second Law of thermodynamics could be circumvented and that this would entail the creation and maintenance of an artificial "cold hole" for the surounding environmental heat to flow into.

It seems apparent that the buoyancy cylinder being continually injected with compressed cooled air which is allowed to expand while absorbing the surounding ambient heat, constitutes such a "cold hole" or "sink" as both Tesla and Proell describe.

Tesla included in his article this illustration of the proposed device, which coincidently happens to quite resemble our buoyancy cylinder:


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The text reads:

Conceive, for the sake of illustration, an
enclosure T, as illustrated in diagram b, such
that energy could not be transferred across it
except through a channel or path O, and that, by
some means or other, in this enclosure a medium
were maintained which would have little energy,
and that on the outer side of the same there would
be the ordinary ambient medium with much energy.
Under these assumptions the energy would
flow through the path O, as indicated by the arrow,
and might then be converted on its passage into
some other form of energy. The question was,
Could such a condition be attained? Could we
produce artificially such a "sink" for the energy of
the ambient medium to flow in? Suppose that an
extremely low temperature could be maintained by
some process in a given space; the surrounding
medium would then be compelled to give off heat,
which could be converted into mechanical or other
form of energy, and utilized. By realizing such a
plan, we should be enabled to get at any point of
the globe a continuous supply of energy, day and
night

The resemblance is not only in appearance, but also in function.