MK Ultra

MKULTRA (auch MK ULTRA, Aussprache M-K-Ultra) war ein umfangreiches, geheimes Forschungsprogramm der CIA über Möglichkeiten der Bewusstseinskontrolle. Es lief von 1953 bis in die 1970er Jahre im Kontext des Kalten Kriegs. Ziel des Projekts war, ein perfektes Wahrheitsserum für die Verwendung im Verhör von Sowjetspionen zu entwickeln, sowie die Möglichkeiten der Gedankenkontrolle zu erforschen. In Teilen überschnitten sich die Arbeiten auch mit den Forschungen anderer US-Programme zu biologischen Waffen.

Das Programm umfasste unter anderem tausende von Menschenversuchen, bei denen ahnungslose Testpersonen, oft willkürlich unter Krankenhauspatienten und Gefängnisinsassen ausgewählt, unter halluzinogene Drogen wie LSD gesetzt wurden. Zahlreiche Versuchspersonen trugen bei den Experimenten schwerste körperliche und psychische Schäden davon, teilweise bis hin zum Tod.[1] Ein großer Teil der Experimente des Projekts verstieß gegen amerikanische Gesetze. Im Nachhinein betrachtete auch die CIA selbst die meisten Experimente als wertlos, da sie häufig von Mitarbeitern ohne jede wissenschaftliche Qualifikation durchgeführt wurden. Mitte der 1970er Jahre beschäftigten sich mehrere Untersuchungskommissionen des US-Kongresses mit der Aufarbeitung des Programms[2].

(wiki)

natürlich zu harmlos von wiki übertragen, aber könnt ja eh selber genauer researchen....

bekanntestes Mind Control Opfer ist wohl "Cathie o Brien"
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Jetzt mal abgesehen von den Fakten, kann man da jetzt ander sehr prikäre Fragen aufwerfen, die meiner Ansicht nach alles andere als weit aus der Luft gegriffen sind.

Ein gewisser "Dr. West" war wenn man so will an 2t höchster Postion als Arzt/Psychotherapeut im MK Ultra Programm, hinter "Cameron".
Und eben dieser "Dr. West" war behandelnder Arzt von "Oswald" (J. F. Kennedy Attentäter), von "Sirhan-Sirhan" (Attentäter von R. F. Kennedy) und von "Tim McVeigh" (Oklahoma Bombing).

Vor allem beim 2ten Kennedy Attentat von "Sirhan-Sirhan", spricht schon einiges für die Mind Control Theorie. Das ganze klingt vielleicht tatsächlich ein bisschen arg. Aber ich glaube das es sich bei diesen Attentat tatsächlich um nen "Manchurian Kandidate" gehandelt hat. Zumindest deutet sehr viel darauf hin, nach meiner neutralen Recherche nach.

Aber auch bei "Oswald" und "McVeigh" liegt es ser nahe. Wie gesagt, das ist alles andere als aus der Luft gegriffen.

So, das noch dazu.
Aber generell ist "MkUltra" das beste beispiel für Leute die solch Verschwörungen für nicht existent halten. Hier sieht man mal wozu Regierungen/Geheimdienste etc.. fähig sind.

Thread gibts schon:

CIA, MKULTRA und der Manchurian Kandidat

Da die bestehenden Threads veraltet sind, hat sich die Verwaltung dazu entschieden, diesen Thread hier wieder zu öffnen: Fröhliches Diskutieren :)

truejustice schrieb:Aber generell ist "MkUltra" das beste beispiel für Leute die solch Verschwörungen für nicht existent halten. Hier sieht man mal wozu Regierungen/Geheimdienste etc.. fähig sind.

Meinst du damit, dass Leute, die nicht an Verschwörungen glauben, Opfer dieser Gedankenkontrolle sind, um nicht noch mehr Fragen aufzuwerfen?

Hab da was zum Thema.

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Als Zitat.

CIA Experiments with Mind Control on Children
by Jon Rappoport

CIA Experiments with Mind Control on Children

by Jon Rappoport

The CIA mind-control apparatus has been well known since 1975, when 10 large boxes of documents were released pursuant to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Several good books were then written on the subject of the CIA program known as MK-ULTRA. Officially spanning ten years from 19 52-62, MK-ULTRA involved the use of LSD on unwitting military and civilian subjects in the United States. LSD and more powerful compounds were given under duress as brainwashing and truth serum drugs. The program's aim was to find drugs which would irresistibly bring out deep confessions or wipe a subject' s mind clean and program him or her as "a robot agent."

In experimental test situations, people were given acid without their knowledge, then interrogated under bright lights with doctors sitting in the background taking notes. Threats would be made. The test subjects were told that their LSD "downer trips" would be extended indefinitely if they refused to reveal their closely-guarded military secrets. The people being interrogated in this way were CIA employees, U.S. military personnel and, abroad, agents suspected of working for the other side in the Cold War. Long-term severe debilitation and several documented deaths resulted. Much, much more could be said about MK-ULTRA.

None of this prepared people for the explosive testimony made on March 15, 1995, in Washington, D.C., before the President's Committee on Radiation, however. In unpublicized sessions, New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients who had uncovered memories of being part of extensive CIA brainwashing programs as young children (in one case, starting at age seven). Their brainwashing included torture, rape, electroshock, powerful drugs, hypnosis and death threats. According to their testimony, the CIA then induced amnesia to prevent their recalling these terrifying sessions.

Both Wolf and her patients stated that they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques. In other words, these patients spontaneously discovered this information about themselves and their pasts.

Although the committee was mainly concerned with radiation, they permitted Valerie and her patients to testify because, astonishingly, several doctors who had administered the mind- control experiments had also been identified by other Americans secretly exposed to radiation. Apparently there was a crossover.

Prominent names surfaced in the March 15 testimony: Richard Helms, former head of the CIA, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, who ran MK- ULTRA and Dr. John Gittinger, Gottlieb's protege. These men and others were directly accused of participating in grisly mind- control efforts on children.

Predictably, this testimony received no media attention.

I now have it all, including many pages submitted to the committee that will likely never be released as part of their final report. Only a small percentage of the pages were read aloud at the hearing. Included are corroborating statements from other therapists around the country and several of their patients. I have now released all of this testimony as a book, U.S. Government Mind-Control Experiments On Children.

When the sickening shock starts to wear off, deeply disturbing questions flood one's mind: just what was this CIA program? How extensive was it? What was its purpose?

From what I have been able to discover so far, many American children, as well as children from Mexico and South America, were used over a period of about 40 years, starting around 1948. In fact, the program may still be going on. Doctors and agents who administered it wanted to obtain control over the minds of these children, ostensibly to create superagents who wouldn't remember even what missions they carried out, because of hypnotically induced amnesia (which could be removed by their controllers and reinstalled at will). (1)

Children were trained as sex agents, for example, with the job of blackmailing prominent Americans -- primarily politicians, businessmen and educators. A great deal of filming was done for this purpose. Eventually, people from the inner core of the CIA program filmed each other, and some of the centers where children were used as sex agents got out of control and turned into CIA-operated sex rings.

Some children were considered expendable and simply murdered.

One person who states that he was in this program as a child said, off the record:

"They tried out their brainwashing techniques on the kids from Mexico and South America. They were considered expendable. But on another echelon of the program, they went after the best and the brightest American kids. Making perfect agents to combat the Soviets wasn't, I don't think, their ultimate objective. I can't remember what that was."

At this point, I made a suggestion:

"Well, if they were choosing the best and brightest, maybe they figured these kids would one day rise to important positions in the society, and they wanted to gain long-term control over them, so they would be under their thumb, so they could tap them at will -- a way of controlling the future society."

"Maybe," he said. "The Nazis gained control over the intelligentsia in Germany. That was a very key step in their dominance. That was the first thing they did".

"This smells very much like a Nazi program in the U.S.," I said. "I don't mean all the controllers were German, but the style of it, the insanity."

He said, "They brought over a lot of Nazi doctors after the war and not just to build rockets -- for a lot of projects."

Other people who said that they had been used as children in the program remember that doctors with German accents were definitely present at the sessions. One therapist, who shared this information informally with colleagues around the country, states that, so far, the oldest person she has heard of who was in the program is now 52; the youngest is now nine.

Since a number of people who were brainwashed, tortured and drugged in these experiments try to resolve their experiences in therapy, psychiatrists and other professional therapists are hearing these stories. They are told, for example, that CIA controllers sometimes dressed up in Satanic costumes to further traumatize the children, also providing a cover that wouldn't be believed if the children ever talked.

It is worth noting that there is a movement to discredit these " recovered" memories, and the most prominent group, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), has several board members with CIA or military-intelligence connections -- including the notorious Dr. Louis "Jolly" West of UCLA, who tried to establish a center for "the study of violence" at the university in the 1970s. This center's specialty would have been psychosurgery, a horrendous melting of brain connections, supposedly to curb people's "violent tendencies."

FMSF maintains that a person always remembers abuse done to him or her, and therefore any new recovery of it in therapy is false and must have been fabricated through misleading suggestions by the therapist. While it is certainly true that such inducement happens in therapy, the blanket statement that all recovered memory is invented is unsubstantiated.

In a written statement to Dr. Wolf that was included in her testimony to the president's committee, well-known researcher and psychiatrist, Colin Ross said,

"Published articles in my files include descriptions of administration of 150 mcg of LSD to children age 5-10 years on a daily basis for days, weeks, months, and in a few cases even years. Neurosurgeons at Tulane, Yale, and Harvard did extensive research on brain electrode implants with intelligence funding, and combined brain implants with Large numbers of drugs including hallucinogens."

Ross based his report on his more than 20 years of investigating CIA mind control.

Chris De Nicola, one of Dr. Wolf's patients who testified before the president's committee, named her controller as a Dr. Greene, a name reported by several other mind-control subjects. It may well be that this name was a cover used by various CIA and military-contracted experimenter-torturers. Here is a quote from her testimony:

"[Dr. Greene] used me in radiation experiments both for the purpose of determining the effects of radiation on various parts of my body and to terrorize me as an additional trauma in the mind-control experiments. [She was eight years old.]

"The rest of the experiments took place in Tucson, Arizona, out in the desert. I was taught how to pick locks, be secretive, use my photographic memory to remember things and a technique to withhold information by repeating numbers to myself. [She is obviously talking about being trained as an agent.]

"Dr. Greene moved on to wanting me to kill dolls that looked like real children. I stabbed a doll with a spear once after being severely tortured, but the next time I refused. He used many techniques but as I got older I resisted more and more.

He often tied me down in a cage, which was near his office. Between 1972 and 1976 he and his assistants were sometimes careless and left the cage unlocked. Whenever physically possible, I snuck -into his office and found files with reports and memos addressed to CIA and military personnel. Included in these files were project, subproject, subject and experiment names with some code numbers for radiation mind-control experiments which I have submitted in my written documentation. I was caught twice and Dr. Greene tortured me ruthlessly with electric shock, drugs, spinning on a table, putting shots in my stomach, in my back, dislocating my joints and hypnotic techniques to make me feel crazy and suicidal..."

Is there a precedent for this kind of sadistic treatment by CIA and military personnel? Indeed there is. Here is a quote from the introduction to my book, U.S. Government Mind-Control Experiments On Children. It contains information from reliable published sources; such as The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, by John Marks (2), Acid Dreams, by Martin Lee (3) and The Mind Manipulators, by Alan Scheflin (4). In part, these authors derived their information on the CIA and MK-ULTRA from the ten boxes of information released suddenly in 1975 by the agency in response to Freedom of Information Act requests:

"Dr. Robert Heath of Tulane University, as early as 1955, working for the Army, gave patients-LSD while he had electrodes implanted deep inside their brains.

"Canadian researcher, Dr. Ewan Cameron, under long-term CIA contract, attempted to depattern, and reprogram his psychiatric patients' personalities wholesale. He started with 15 to 65 days of 'sleep therapy,' during which a patient was kept under nearly 24 hours a day, through the administration of cocktails of Thorazine, Nembutal, Seconal, Veronal, and Phenergam. Throughout this sleep period, the patient would be awakened two or three times a day for electroshock treatments, given at an intensity 20-40 times the 'normal' convulsion-producing strength.

"In the mid-1950's, Paul Hoch, M.D., a man who would become Commissioner of Mental Hygiene for the State of New York, then a laborer in the field for the CIA, gave a 'pseudoneurotic schizophrenic' patient mescaline. The patient had a not- unfamiliar heaven-and-hell journey on the compound. But Hoch followed this up with a transorbital leucotomy...Hoch also gave a patient LSD, and a local anesthetic, and then proceeded to remove pieces of cerebral cortex, asking at various moments whether the patient's perceptions were changing."

Claudia Mullin, the other of Dr. Wolf's patients who testified before the President's Committee on Radiation, said her experiences with CIA mind-control experiences began when she was seven years old:

"In 1958, 1 was to be tested, they told me, by some important doctors coming from a place called the 'Society' [the Human Ecology Society, a CIA front]. I was told to cooperate; answer any of their questions. Then, since the test 'might hurt,' I would be given 'shots, x-rays, and a few jolts of electricity.' I was instructed not to look at anyone's face too hard and to ignore names,' as this was 'a very secret project' but to be brave an all those things would help me forget...

"A Dr. John Gittinger tested me and Dr. Cameron gave me the shocks and Dr. Greene the x-rays...By the time I left to go home, just like every time from then on, I would recall nothing of my tests or the different doctors. I would only remember whatever explanations Dr. Robert G. Heath [of Tulane Medical School] gave me for the odd bruises, needle marks, burns on my head and fingers and even the genital soreness. I had no reason to believe otherwise. Already, they had begun to control my mind!

"The next year, I was sent to a place in Maryland called Deep Creek Cabins to learn how to 'sexually please men.' Also, I was taught how to coerce them into talking about themselves. It was Richard Helms (Deputy Director of the CIA), Dr. Gottlieb, Captain George White and Morse Allen, who all planned on filming as many high government and agency officials and heads of academic institutions and foundations as possible...I was to become a regular little 'spy' for them, after that summer, eventually entrapping many unwitting men, including themselves, all with the use of a hidden camera. I was only nine when this kind of sexual humiliation began."

Captain George White was a notorious agent for the CIA. He set up a brothel in San Francisco in the 1960s and, using hidden cameras, filmed men having sex with prostitutes. The men's drinks were "spiked" with LSD. In 1950, Morse Allen, another important CIA, man, was appointed head of Project BLUEBIRD, another CIA mind-control program.

Ms. Mullin states that she was adopted when she was two years old. By the time she reached seven she had already been abused extensively by her mother. Her mother apparently turned her over for "testing" to CIA-connected people and Claudia then entered a 27-year period of what can only be called enslavement. Claudia states that she has been monitored, that she is still monitored and watched by agency related people, including a medical doctor. Now living in New Orleans, she has given information to local police authorities about her situation. In her testimony to the president's committee, Claudia remarked,

"Although the process of recalling these atrocities is certainly not an easy task, nor is it without some danger to myself and my family...I feel the risk is worth taking."

Claudia's therapist, Dr. Wolf, has written to the president's committee,

"To the best of my knowledge, [Claudia] has read nothing about mind-control or CIA covert operations. Since she decided to listen carefully and remember as much as she could about conversations among the researchers, her memories are extraordinarily complete. I have sent written copies of memories to Dr. Alan Scheflin [author of The Mind Manipulators] for validation and he has confirmed that she has knowledge of events and people that are not published anywhere, that some of her memories contain new information and that some are already known and published. Some of her memories have been confirmed by family members. She has also shown me old scrapbooks where she wrote notes to remember what was happening to her and hid the notes under pictures in the scrapbook."

I spoke with Alan Scheflin in May of this year. He said he had found one piece of information Claudia had mentioned in her recollections that had no precedent in published material. It involved a connection between two government researchers.

This is just the tip of the iceberg on the 130 pages of testimony given before the President's Committee on Radiation, and it is also just the beginning of a history that will undoubtedly widen in the coming months and years. Dr. Wolf told me that when word got around she was going to testify before the president's committee, she was contacted by about 40 therapists "in just the 10 days leading up to my trip to Washington." The therapists had heard similar CIA mind-control stories from their own patients. Many of these professionals are afraid to go on the record about their patients' stories, as censure from their professional societies is a reality. The political mood these days is not conducive to granting an aura of credibility to revelations of CIA brainwashing.

So what else is new?

[Jon Rappoport is a distinguished investigative reporter and the author of AIDS, INC. He can be found inhabiting the late night airwaves of KPFK radio in Los Angeles and lecturing at the Hardware Humanitarian House in Santa Monica, California.]

Notes:

1) See "From the Inside Out," Perceptions, March/April 1995, p.58
2) Paddington Press, New York, 1978
3) W.W. Norton, New York, 1979
4) Grove Press, New York, 1985

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Ich denke, der Artikel ist interessant.

Demandred schrieb:Meinst du damit, dass Leute, die nicht an Verschwörungen glauben, Opfer dieser Gedankenkontrolle sind, um nicht noch mehr Fragen aufzuwerfen?

nein, das meinte ich nicht damit. Auch wenn es gut möglich ist das in unserem heutigen Alltag mit Mind Control Taktiken gearbeitet wird, die man damals genauer erforscht hat.

Generell nicht an Verschwörungen zu glauben ist genuso Blödsinnig, wie an allem eine solche zu sehen.

Na dann stell ich mal die Reportage hier rein

Cia MkUltra Project / Die dressierten Killer 1

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ich sah die vor einiger Zeit, wirklich erschüttert hat mich das nicht.

Ich finde man muss zu diesem Thema erwähnen, dass der Begriff "Gedankenkontrolle" keiner genauen Definition unterliegt. Jeder denkt immer daran, wenn er dieses Wort hört, wie Personen anderer Personen Geist kontrollieren und sich quasi geistig in sie "hineinversetzen" und sie steuern. Meiner Meinung nach kann Gedankenkontrolle aber auch bedeuten gezielte Maßnahmen zu ergreifen oder Aktionen durchzuführen, um bei einer Zielperson ein gewünschtes Verhalten herbeizuführen. Im Klartext....z.B. Werbung...ich zeige während einer Kinovorstellung kurz in einzelnen Frames eine Cola-Flasche. Irgendwann verspürt die Zielperson einen Durst nach Cola und kauft diese. Dies wäre auch eine Form der Gedankenkontrolle, da ich durch eine eingeleitete Aktion (dem Zeigen der Colaflasche) eine gewünschte Aktion herbeigeführt und somit die Person in einer gewissen Art und Weise kontrolliert habe (dem Kauf einer eisgekühlten leckeren Cola). Na auch Lust auf Cola? ;)

Fragen wir doch einfach den "Master of NLP" Derren Brown:

Derren Brown - "Paying with Paper"

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Wikipedia: Derren Brown

Wikipedia: Neurolinguistische Programmierung

um einiges eindrucksvoller fand ich die videos von ihm, indem er angeblich ein seminar für irgendwas wirtschaftlichen veranstaltet hat, aber in wirklichkeit die teilnehmer für ein bankraub konditioniert hat.
wenn ich mir aber die videos von ihm anschaue, hat alles von ihm einen nachgeschmack von schauspielerei

Kleiner Nachtrag. Das Finanzsystem mit Geld ist auch eine Art von Gedankenkontrolle. Wir werden darauf getrimmt, dass Geld für uns wichtig sei. Wir können es nicht atmen, nicht essen und nicht trinken. Prinzipiell wäre es daher für uns nichts wert. Da wir aber so erzogen werden das es etwas wert ist, überschreiten manche Leute alle Grenzen um mehr davon zu bekommen. Wenn aber eines schönen Tages (vllt. gar nicht so weit in der Zukunft) die ach so tolle Geldblase mal platzt sitzen die Leute auf ihren millionen von Geldscheinen, mit denen sie dann ein Feuer machen können, um sich zu wärmen oder um sich etwas zu Essen zu kochen. Fazit...alles Bullshit und Kontrolle. Wie sollte man sonst Milliarden von Menschen kontrollieren und zu sklavenähnlicher Arbeit zwingen? Das schafft nur Geld. Respekt vor dem, ders erfunden hat. Wobei ich bezeifel, dass der jenige sich das gedacht hat, was heute dabei rumgekommen ist.

Ich weiß das hat an sich nichts mit MK Ultra gemein, aber ich finde es gehört zu Gedankenkontrolle hinzu. In diesem Sinne...

@allstar
Ja da ist etwas dran.
Unglaublich, wie wir uns alle der Macht des Geldes hingeben und zum Teil wirkliche Werte in den Hintergrund treten lassen.

Ein Beispiel für mögliche Mind Control ist Sirhan Sirhan, der Attentäter von Robert Kennedy:
Wikipedia: Robert F. Kennedy

Sirhan wurde in seinem Prozess zunächst als „geistesgestörter, religiöser Fanatiker” skizziert. Er selbst leugnete, die Tat begangen zu haben, da er sich angeblich an nichts erinnern konnte. Er sagte vor Gericht aus, dass er erst wenige Minuten nach dem Attentat, bei seiner Festnahme, wieder zu Bewusstsein gekommen sei. ...
Einige Fakten lassen auch den Verdacht auf Vertuschungsversuche seitens der Polizeibehörde von Los Angeles zu. Verschwörungstheoretiker betrachten Sirhan als Bauernopfer, da in einer Untersuchungskommission Mitte der 1970er Jahre anhand ballistischer Untersuchungen unterschiedliche Projektile auftauchten und so auf eine zweite Schusswaffe – also einen zweiten Täter und damit eine Verschwörung – schließen lassen.

Sirhan, der vor Gericht noch für sich selbst die Todesstrafe beantragt hatte, behauptet heute, unter Hypnose gestanden zu haben, so dass sein Verstand und die Hemmschwelle, einen Mordanschlag zu begehen sowie jegliches Erinnerungsvermögen komplett "gelöscht" worden seien[2].

Er versucht seit vielen Jahren, unterstützt unter anderem durch den bei dem Attentat selbst verletzten Wahlhelfer Kennedys, Paul Schrade, einen neuen Prozess zu erwirken, der seine Unschuld feststellen soll.

Wikipedia: Robert F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories

The Manchurian candidate hypothesis relates to a theory that Sirhan was psychologically programmed by persons unknown to commit the murder and that he was not aware of his actions at the time.[14] This theory was supported by psychologist and hypnosis expert Dr. Eduard Simson-Kallas in San Quentin prison after 35 hours of work with Sirhan in 1969.[15]

ich poste mal ein bild von Anders Behring Breivik in den MK Ultra Thread,
weil hier gehört es hin, ebenso wie das von seinem Kollegen Jared Lee Loughner:



Wikipedia: 2011 Tucson shooting

@jeremybrood
Genau hier gehört das hin...vollkommende Zustimmung

@truejustice
Und ein Teil von dem MK Projekt lief unter dem Decknamen Artischocke und wurde in Deutschland unter CIA Aufsicht praktiziert. Und ob das Mk Projekt wirklich jemals eingestellt wurde so wie es von den Offiziellen Stellen behauptet wird ist eh fraglich.
So, Nachtrag neuer Link zu der ganzen Doku.
http://nuoviso.tv/dokumentationen/geheimdienste/108-die-dressierten-killer (Archiv-Version vom 28.08.2011)

@Quarks
mittlerweile steht auch der zeitplan für die oslo anschläge ungefähr fest -
Anders Behring Breivik hat nur eine halbe Stunde von der Osloer Innenstadt
bis auf die Insel (inklusive Überfahrt) gebraucht; die Polizeit hat dagegen fast 2 Stunden gebraucht bis sie auf der Insel auftauchte

http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/norwegen-massaker/100-minuten-warum-kam-die-polizei-so-spaet-19025666.bild.html
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13503965/So-machte-der-Attentaeter-Jagd-auf-seine-Opfer.html

Bis die Massenmedien in den Oslo Attentaten eine Verschwörung sehen, kann man bis
zum Sanktnimmerleinstag warten ...

@jeremybrood
auf der insel gab es bestimmt gar keinen schützen. die usa haben einfach ihre orbitalen laserkanonen und hologramme wie am 11. september benutzt. stimmts?

robert-capa schrieb:die usa haben einfach ihre orbitalen laserkanonen und hologramme wie am 11. september benutzt

Na logo. Die Norweger haben einen Vertrag mit den Russen zur Nutzung der Arktis unterzeichnet. Das heißt Krieg.

@jeremybrood

warum hat der oslo attentäter überlebt ?