Der Prozess Oscar Pistorius und der Tod von Reeva Steenkamp

@Interested
Oh ja, das wäre sehr gut. Ich kann leider erst ab frühen Nachmittag, da ist aber wahrscheinlich der Tag im Gericht schon gelaufen.
Ich bin wirklich total gespannt, wen die StA als Zeugen holt - wenn ich das recht verstanden habe, dürfen das ja jetzt auch Charakterzeugen sein. Endlich!
Bis morgen, gute Nacht @all!

@TruthLove

Gute Nacht. Macht immer wieder Spaß mit Euch :) Ja, Charakter ist gut - der ist recht rar in diesem Prozess!

Interested schrieb:Ich bin leider erst am Mittags wieder dabei...ich hoffe die zögern das schön hinaus und Nel hat noch viele, viele Fragen an diese furchtbare Stimme^^

Egal was Nel noch fragt, jetzt ist es zu spät
Die Sache ist gelaufen

Nel macht ausserdem einen eher lustlosen Eindruck auf mich

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Frank wird nicht erscheinen

Es würde mich garnicht wundern, wenn nicht nur Reevas Eltern eine kleine monatliche Unterstützung erhalten hätten.
Man kann schlecht jemanden in die Pfanne hauen, von dem man finanziell abhängig ist

OP wird schon einen Grund haben warum das nicht erwähnt werden durfte .

Für mich haben diese Zahlungen einen üblen Beigeschmack

Moin @all. Ich kann wohl auch erst ab Mittags dabeisein. Verpassen werde ich wahrscheinlich nicht viel.
Bis später und viel Spass mit dem kleinen, schrillstimmigen Muck. ;)

Moin @all

Ich hoffe Ihr habt alle die Geldgeschichte soweit verdaut und seid fit für Madame V nachher ;)

Zu der Geldsache ein Kommentar auf FB von den Admins der Justice Seekers Seite:

"Reeva Steenkamps parents rejected as "blood money" a lump sum of 21,000 offered bei OP for their "pain and suffering", a court heard yesterday.

Barry and June Steenkamp also vowed to return "every cent" of monthly payments totalling 6,000 that their daughter Reeva´s killer has been depositing into an account since her death.

A probation officer hired by Pistorius`legal team had eralier told the court the athlete`s financial gesture had been an indication of his grave remorse for taking Reeva Steenkamps life.

Prosecutor Gerrie Nel said the lump sum payment, raised by the sale of the killer´s car, had been immediately rejected by the family, with Mrs. Steenkamp insisting she did not want "blood money".

Mr. Nel said the couple would also not proceed with any civil action against the track star

Dup De Bruyn, a lawyer for the Steenkamps, later claimed his clients had received 66,000 (340) a month for the last 18 months. He said the payments had now stopped and the money would be repaid.

Mr. De Bruyn said he approached Pistorius`legal team in the weeks after de models death to explain that her family were struggling financially because Miss Steenkamp regularly sent money to her cash-strapped parents. "I conveyed this to OP´s lawyers", Mr. de Bruyn told journalists, adding that the track star began providing monthly support - a fact he was keen to keep private.

The lawyer said Mr. and Mrs Steenkamp were now in a position to repay the money - a total of 6,200.

"The Steenkamps don´t want any money and there will be no civil case, they want closure", Mr. de Bruyn said .Outside court, lawyers for OP said the explanation given by Mr. and Mrs. Steenkamp´s lawyer "regarding events of payment is not accurate".

A further clarification will be given to the court on Wednesday, they added."


Also gibt es seitens der Steenkamps keine Zivilklage, obwohl sie Ozzys Story nicht glauben. Naja, sie werden ihre Gründe haben, genauso wie für die Tatsache dass sie von OP Geld angenommen haben. Das muss niemand von uns nachvollziehen können (und nein, ich kanns nicht).

Vielen Dank, @Evidence1, für das Info zum Zivilklage!

Die Steenkamps wollen nichts, GAR NICHTS mehr mit OP zu tun haben. So interpretiere ich ihre Entscheidungen.

@Ahnungslose
wer will ihnen das verdenken! Wenn man es so interpretiert, macht es natürlich Sinn. Danke :)

Ich kann die Entscheidung - keinen Zivilprozess zu führen - zwar nicht nachvollziehen, könnte mir jedoch vorstellen, dass es gewisse Klauseln geben würde und man sich zukünftige Äusserungen / Veröffentlichungen nicht verbieten lassen möchte.

@Rabenfeder:

Rabenfeder schrieb:Ja sicher, aber sie werden schon recht früh gemerkt haben, wo der Hase langläuft, kennen die Verhältnisse dort recht gut - wenn sie so wenig Chancen haben, die Wahrheit zu erfahren - was von Anfang an klar war, finde ich - sollten sie m.M.n. ganz klar mit Geld entschädigt werden, das hat er ja zur Genüge.
Ich seh da null Skrupel irgendwo, das Geld und zwar so viel wie möglich davon zu nehmen.

Ich weiss gar nicht, warum ich mit meinen Krücken hier noch schreibe, da du meine Gedanken ja kalligraphisch zum Ausdruck bringst:-)

https://twitter.com/DavidDadic (Archiv-Version vom 21.11.2014)

David Dadic @DavidDadic · 13 Std. Vor 13 Stunden

Scary that the victim's parents got R108000 over 18 months, which is pretty much equal to OP's daily legal fees.

Barry Bateman auf Twitter:

"the Steenkamp family has issued a statement through their Advocate Dup De Bruyn addressing issues related to payments.
the Steenkamp’s have been advised to remain neutral in the sentencing proceedings
so as not to be seen as attempting to influence sentencing procedures. BB

De Bruyn: the financial difficulties were mentioned to Pistorius’s lawyers during discussions over a possible civil claim. BB

De Bruyn: Pistorius then made an offer through his lawyers of a monthly contribution of R6k per month towards rent and expenses. De Bruyn: payments took place from March 2013 to September 2014. BB De Bruyn: Pistorius requested that the payments be kept confidential. BB
De Bruyn: we were surprised when this fact was disclosed in court without warning. BB
De Bruyn: it was always the intention of the parents to offset the R6k monthly payments against any civil claim. BB
De Bruyn: once it was decided not pursue any civil claim, it was decided to repay the money
De Bruyn: in view of the pending civil action, we considered an appropriate settlement as soon as possible
De Bruyn: we approached Pistorius’s lawyers with a request to settle. The parents were not aware of our approaches"

...und weiter BB:

"De Bruyn: the offer of the settlement was made by Pistorius. The parents considered it, but declined the offer
De Bruyn: the request for an offer emanated from our side, and not from Pistorius’s side. He was responding to our request. BB"

@Evidence1

Danke für die Infos. Es war somit von Beginn an geplant, die Zahlungen mit möglichen Ansprüchen, die sich in Folge eines Zivilprozesses ergeben würden, zu verrechnen.
Es wundert mich auch nicht, dass man die Zahlungen von Pistorius Seite ohne Vorwarnung der Steenkamps nun zu diesem für OP besonders günstigen Zeitpunkt öffentlich gemacht hat.

Hier findet sich das gesamte Statement

http://www.algoafm.co.za/article.aspx?id=10904

PRESS STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF MR AND MRS STEENKAMP
(THE PARENTS)

1. Certain disclosures in Court yesterday have made it necessary to issue this statement.

2. We have advised the parents to remain neutral in regard to sentence in the sense that they should not be seen to attempt to influence the sentence in any way.

3. After Miss Steenkamp (the deceased) was killed on 14 February 2013, the parents were in financial difficulties.

3.1 This was mentioned to Mr Pistorius's lawyers during discussions in regard to a possible civil claim by the parents.

3.2 We were contacted soon afterwards by Mr Pistorius's lawyers with an offer that Mr Pistorius would contribute an amount of R6 000.00 per month towards the parents' rental and living expenses.

3.3 Payments took place from March 2013 until September 2014.

3.4 When the offer was made during March 2013, we, on behalf of the parents, thought that it would only be fair to Mr Pistorius that the public should know this. The request of Mr Pistorius, conveyed through his lawyers, however was that the matter be kept confidential. We have honoured this request.

3.5 We were therefore quite surprised yesterday when this fact was disclosed in court without any prior warning to us. The fact that the matter had been kept confidential at the request of Mr Pistorius's legal advisers, has also not been placed on record.

3.6 The parents intend to repay this amount to Mr Pistorius as soon as arrangements can be made in that regard.

3.7 It was always the intention of the parents that the amounts of R6 000.00 would be set-off against any civil claim that they were going to institute. However once they had decided not to proceed with the civil claim, which decision was only taken during the past few weeks, it follows that the money will be repaid.

4. THE SETTLEMENT OFFER

4.1 In view of the pending civil action we considered it appropriate to attempt some kind of settlement in that regard as soon as possible.

4.2 This was considered especially because the parents were emotionally suffering quite badly and an early settlement was considered to be appropriate in order for them to get some closure on this specific issue as soon as possible, and to avoid a lengthy civil case.

4.3 It was for this reason that we approached Mr Pistorius' legal advisers with a request as to whether the matter could not be settled. At that stage the parents were not aware of our approaches and discussions between the legal teams were confidential.

4.4 The offer of settlement was then made by Mr Pistorius.

4.5 When the parents were made aware of this offer, they considered it carefully but decided, for various reasons, that they did not want any payment from Mr Pistorius. This is also why we were instructed to advise that no civil claim would be instituted.

4.6 We place this on record to make it clear that a request for an offer emanated from our side, and not from Mr Pistorius's side. He was responding to our request as to whether the civil claim could not be settled.

4.7 We agreed with Mr Pistorius' legal advisors that this issue could be raised by them, but then in the context that it had been rejected.

5. There will be no further comment.

@BaroninVonPorz
Ja, wenn man die Sache jetzt mal im Zusammenhang sieht und nicht nur die Tatsache betrachtet dass die Steenkamps von OP Geld angenommen haben, ergibt sich ein anderes Bild. Und es war ja Pistorius, der die Geldzahlungen an die Steenkamps "private" behandeln wollte....

Bin gespannt was über die Sache nachher gesagt wird. Müsste ja gleich los gehen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10668819/Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-finds-out-his-sentence-for-shooting-Reeva-Steenkamp.html (Archiv-Version vom 14.10.2014)

Kai Feldhaus:

7 Min.Vor 7 Minuten Livestream eingeschaltet, 1. Antwort der Zeugin, die ich höre: "Ich verstehe die Frage nicht." Willkommen zu Tag 46.

hahaha

Guten Morgen!

Sagt mal außer patzig reagieren und nix wissen kann die nix oder?

Der ganze Prozess ist eine Farce, so etwas kann und darf es doch nicht geben und dann noch öffentlich!

NMacheroux-Denault @NMacherouxD · 4 Min. Vor 4 Minuten

Vergeer gibt zu, nicht zu wissen, dass die Behandlung von Behinderten in südafr. Gefängnissen gesetzlich geregelt ist. #OscarPistorius