war nicht der grundgedanke sich abzuspalten für ein " novorussia " ?unreal-live schrieb:von russen reden
This report is for media and the general public.http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/123267
The SMM saw evidence of an exchange of fire close to the area of Donetsk International Airport, and in Shchastya, 20 km north of Luhansk.
A local resident, who lives between two-and-a-half and three kilometres from Donetsk International Airport, called the SMM at 08:25hrs saying that he heard shooting taking place from the direction of the airport and Spartak village. The shooting, according to the source, started at around 08:10hrs and was sporadic, that is, one to two shots at a time.
At 10:00hrs the SMM went on patrol, together with police escort provided by the ‘Donetsk Peoples’ Republic’ (‘DPR’), to verify this account. At the ‘DPR’-manned checkpoint on the Putylivskiy Bridge, which is close to the site of the airport, the SMM could hear mortars being fired from the airport area. The ‘DPR’ denied the SMM further access due to security reasons.
The SMM and ‘DPR’ accessed the roof of an abandoned apartment building in the neighbourhood of the checkpoint. From there, the SMM observed a number of mortars being fired and impacts. Smoke was seen rising between some trees 800 metres away, close to the village of Spartak, which is located north-east of the airport. According to the ‘DPR’, they hold the village. The SMM visited Spartak and observed numerous impacts from shelling which had allegedly taken place earlier in the day. Two small family houses were also observed still burning after impacts coming undoubtedly from the shelling. The SMM was informed that the houses were abandoned, and that the shelling had not caused any casualties in the village.
Altogether, between 10:15hrs and 12:30hrs (at which point the SMM left to return to the office), the SMM heard in all 15–20 mortars being fired, observed the impacts of a few of these, and heard small arms fire also coming from the airport.
In Shchastya (20 km north of Luhansk) an exchange of fire was also witnessed by the SMM. At 13:37hrs, fighters affiliated to the ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’ (‘LPR’) fired on Ukrainian troops, which led to a response by the Ukrainian armed forces. Both sides exchanged small arms, rocket-propelled grenade, and artillery fire. The incident had ended by 14:50hrs. Medical staff working at the scene informed the SMM that one Ukrainian soldier was wounded in the chest. The Ukrainian commando confirmed this to the SMM, and presumed that one fighter affiliated to ‘LPR’ was killed.
Allein die Lufthansa fliegt PRO WOCHE 180x über den russischen Luftraum!Es geht nicht darum das jemand die Lufthansa verdrängt, sie fliegt sicher über andere Routen nur teurer. Das macht die Preise teurer, wovon dann ja auch die russische Airline profitieren würde.
Seltsam oder ?sarasvati23 schrieb:Putin ist doch gar nicht in der Bringschuld, was soll er denn machen?
Es gab keine russiche Invasion, es ist bisher offiziell nicht klar wer die Boeing abgeschossen hat, das hat die Bundesregierung ebenfalls einräumen müssen. Es gibt keine Grundlage für neue Sanktionen
Ja natürlich, aber nichts anderes hab ich doch zu Anfang gesagt.Rechtversteher schrieb:Es geht nicht darum das jemand die Lufthansa verdrängt, sie fliegt sicher über andere Routen nur teurer. Das macht die Preise teurer
Inwiefern sollte eine russische Airline davon profitieren?
Äh nee....in der Tourismus-Branche vielleicht, aber ganz bestimmt nicht beim Transport von Handelsgütern......da hat KEINE der von Dir genannten Fluggesellschaften (bzw. Fluggesellschaften der genannten Länder) annähernd die Kapazität für!
Ich kann mir vorstellen das der Markt mit den Überflugrechten von Putin neu ausgeschrieben werden soll. Also, sie Aeroflot soll nur 200 Millionen im Jahr daran verdienen, das sind in meinen Augen Peanuts. Jedenfalls erscheint mir das nicht als grosser Schaden.Hier hast Du wohl etwas falsch verstanden.......der russische Staat kassiert pro Fluggesellschaft, die den russischen Luftraum regelmäßig überquert und nutzt, Überflugsgebühren von 100-200 Millionen USD im Jahr!
In Donetsk, while on patrol on the outskirts of Donetsk, in the “Oktyabrskiy” area, the SMM heard intense shelling targeting the airport and originating from both the east and the west.da hat man denen nochma so richtig eingeheizt
The SMM observed that the volunteer “Aidar” battalion had occupied the main power plant in Shchastya (24 km north of Luhansk city), currently the only one providing electricity to the entire region. The SMM was prevented from accessing the location and could see physical barriers and sandbags placed around it. No police forces were present. A Ukrainian military official confirmed the occupation by the “Aidar” battalion, but indicated that the move was intended to ensure that the plant was not taken by anyone else.http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/123256
Die Nationalstaaten lassen sich Flüge durch ihren Luftraum über die Streckengebühren bezahlen. Der Unterschied: Während in Deutschland die Deutsche Flugsicherung (DFS) ihre Kosten über die Gebühren wieder reinholen muss, leitet Russland einen großen Teil seiner Überflugeinnahmen an die staatliche Fluggesellschaft Aeroflot weiter. Rund 200 Millionen Euro soll die Gesellschaft auf diesem Weg im vergangenen Jahr eingenommen haben, was ziemlich genau ihrem Netto-Gewinn entsprach.
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In Donetsk city, in the early hours of the day, the SMM heard explosions and shooting for about half an hour coming from the north and west of the city centre. Reportedly, the water supply for the whole city appeared to be experiencing difficulties, since the filtration plant had been without electricity from the evening of 3 September due to ongoing fighting. No precise information was available on when repair work would start.das die ihr land grad in schutt in asche legen ist wohl offentsichtlich ,aber die jungs vor ort haben keinen anderen sinn im leben
The SMM visited the Donetsk central railway station and saw workers starting repair work on the shelled roof.
Due to several rounds of outgoing mortar shelling coming from the direction of the airport, the SMM observed the inaccessible airport from a distance of 1 kilometre.
The SMM Chief Monitor met with the mayor of Donetsk, Oleksandr Lukyanchenko, in Kyiv who confirmed that considerable parts of the city had been heavily damaged. He said that enormous funds would be needed to restore the destroyed infrastructure. According to the mayor, the city is facing serious problems with water supply and electricity. The mayor was concerned about the forthcoming winter and the fact that authorities would not be able to provide central heating. He said that 35 schools had been destroyed during the conflict and subsequently 75,000 students could not go to school in Donetsk. The mayor suggested that the OSCE should initiate the formation of a commission comprised of Ukrainian, Russian and European parliamentarians in order to visit Donbas and assess the damage caused by irregular armed groups.
...aber das ist ja nur ein geringer Teil der Gesamteinnahmen.
deutschland trägt also eine mitschuld das freiheitskämpfer novorussia ausrufen ?
