wie die US geführte Koalition ? Ach nee die habens ja bis heute nichtmal versucht...sorry mein Fehlercanales schrieb:Nuja, wenn es stimmt kommt es reichlich spät...hätte man auch vor den Angriffen machen können.
Das Russland schon lange mit Oppositionen im Gespräch ist , ist bekannt, FSA als kompakte Gruppe gab es noch nie, nur einzelne Teile.JoschiX schrieb:Da hat Russland wohl ein paar FSA'ler aus dem Hut gezaubert.
Allerdings ist die FSA keine einheitliche Organisation, sondern ein Zusammenschluss vieler kleiner Gruppen mit teils widersprüchlichen Zielen.Die "FSA-Sprecher" aus deinem Artikel sind diesmal
und
Zoubi, who is head of the political office of the FSA-affiliated Yarmouk Army, added that he had not heard anything of the meeting and that Russia had been searching for allies in the rebellion and political opposition to strengthen its position.
zu Bashar al-Zoubi:
Bashar al-Zoubi, also known as Abu Fadi, is a wealthy businessman who made his fortune in the tourism industry and hails from a clan in Syria that numbers as many as 160,000. (The al-Zoubis are, in fact, transnational, with some residing in Syria and others residing in Jordan, which makes them particularly well-placed as interlocutors between Amman and the opposition in Deraa and Damascus. In a sense, they strongly resemble the Jarba clan, which has retained prominence in both Syria and Saudi Arabia, and whose most recognizable member is the current, Saudi-backed head of the Syrian National Coalition, Ahmad Jarba.)https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/commentaryanalysis/the-southern-front (Archiv-Version vom 25.09.2015)
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I asked Abu Fadi why the south was relatively free of al-Qaeda in comparison with the north. “The only reason folks starting fighting with Jabhat al-Nusra,” he said, “was the lack of any real support to the FSA, weapons and ammunition being delivered to us.” Mostly, the FSA has been successful from Damascus to Deraa because of its integration with local tribes and communities. The bulk of its materiel has been confiscated from the regime. Were any new weapons coming in now? Some, he acknowledged, but still mainly light arms, not anything of the caliber or range to further tilt the balance of power.
This is the standard FSA line given to journalists so as to avoid compromising their Saudi and Jordanian patronage, although the extent to which it is a willful fudging of the facts really depends on who’s doing the talking.
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Why?
“Hardship and necessity are the mother of invention; isn’t that the saying? It’s because of the hardships we’ve faced from the beginning that we were better able to organize. The only reason people ever started fighting for extremist groups was because they had weapons and means. Well, we had weapons and means in the south – we raided regime caches effectively. This is why the extremists here are not as strong.”
Fahad conceded that cultural differences between the north and the south contributed to the moderates’ ability to carve out more territory in the latter area. He said that when he was in the Syrian Military Academy in 2010, he used to tour the northern territories and army schools quite often. “The illiteracy rate was 39 percent of the population. The culture there is more receptive to this ideology,” he admitted. “But in Rif Dimashq and Deraa, people tend to be more educated and more open-minded.”
Bayoush is neither a major commander nor an insignificant one. By his count, his brigade numbers about fourteen hundred men, though only three hundred of them fight at any given time, owing to a weapons shortage.http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-worries-of-a-syrian-rebel-commander
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The origins and goals of the radical Islamists have remained a mystery, even to Bayoush. “We really don’t know what they want—and I think they don’t know either,” he said. “They are fighting us, and we are fighting Assad.” The Americans also confound him. “When we want America to be powerful, it won’t use its force, and when we don’t want America to involve itself, it does it anyway,” he said. These days, his faith in the Americans is so low that he suspects that the U.S. might even be in league with the Islamists. (U.S. officials vehemently deny this.) He added, “Now, the problem is much bigger than Assad.”
This was the topic that his friends were debating as they settled down for lunch. The weekend’s events remained shrouded in mystery, and no one seemed clear on who had done what, or why. According to Bayoush, the takeover had been a classic Trojan Horse deceit: fighters from the newly formed Islamic Front had come to the Free Syrian Army headquarters to propose that the two groups form an alliance and refocus their efforts against Assad. Once they were inside, however, guns were drawn and the Islamists took control of the facility. (Other versions have it as a full-scale invasion, or a rescue operation by the Islamic Front against unnamed assailants. “Add that to the list of stories,” a State Department official working on Syria said, when I told him Bayoush’s account.)
On 6th May 2015, along with 13 other Aleppo-based groups, joined the Fatah Halab joint operations room.[10]Wikipedia: Knights of Justice Brigade
The FSA-affiliated Fursan al-Haq Brigade announced the graduation of the second batch of trainees, composed of 80 recruits after receiving military training for a period of 45 days in one of the brigade’s training camps in northern Syria.http://en.etilaf.org/all-news/local-news/fsa-s-fursan-al-haq-brigade-completes-training-of-second-batch-of-fighters.html
Padnos also relates this exchange with some U.S.-trained FSA fighters that exposes the glaring weaknesses of the CIA’s vetting system:http://counterjihadreport.com/tag/liwa-fursan-al-haqq/ (Archiv-Version vom 08.09.2015)
I returned to the FSA troops. One told me that his unit had recently traveled to Jordan to receive training from American forces in fighting groups like the Nusra Front.
“Really?” I said. “The Americans? I hope it was good training.”
“Certainly, very,” he replied.
The fighters stared at me. I stared at them.
After a few moments, I asked, “About this business of fighting Jebhat al Nusra?”
“Oh, that,” one said. “We lied to the Americans about that.”
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As I noted back in April here at PJ Media, Lister finally admitted what he and most of the other Western supporters of the Syrian rebels have well known for a long time — that vast majority of Syrian rebel groups have been associated with Jabhat al-Nusra, a fact mostly concealed by the D.C. “smart set”:
This latter alliance with Jabhat al-Nusra has been a consistent facet of insurgent dynamics in Syria, but not only in terms of conservative Salafist groups like Ahrar al-Sham. In fact, while rarely acknowledged explicitly in public, the vast majority of the Syrian insurgency has coordinated closely with Al-Qaeda since mid-2012 – and to great effect on the battlefield. But while this pragmatic management of relationships may have secured opposition military victories against the regime, it has also come at an extraordinary cost. The assimilation of Al-Qaeda into the broader insurgency has discouraged the U.S. and its European allies from more definitively backing the ‘moderate’ opposition. That, by extension, has encouraged the intractability of the conflict we see today and the rise of jihadist factions like Jabhat al-Nusra, IS, and many others.
In fact, it was just a year ago yesterday that Liwa Fursan Al-Haqq announced they were separating from Jabhat al-Nusra. Nusra had been designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. in December 2012.
As a result of that separation, that gave the U.S. the go-ahead to begin supplying them with heavy weaponry, such as TOW anti-tank missiles
So stimmt das nicht, zu Beginn der Auseinandersetzungen war die FSA sehr wohl eine kompakte Gruppe, welche sich zusammensetzte aus:lilit schrieb: FSA als kompakte Gruppe gab es noch nie, nur einzelne Teile.
Die Freie Syrische Armee besteht primär aus übergelaufenem Personal der Streitkräfte Syriens.[24] Hinzu kommt eine Vielzahl an Zivilisten, die gegen die Regierung Assad kämpfen, um ihre jeweiligen Heimatorte zu verteidigen. Als dritte Gruppe gibt es auch ausländische Kämpfer, insbesondere aus dem Libanon und Libyen, aber auch aus anderen arabischen Ländern, die sich der FSA aus unterschiedlichen Motiven angeschlossen haben.[24] Teile von ihr waren über den „Obersten Militärrat“ von Selim Idriss auch mit dem Syrischen Nationalrat verbunden.[25]Wikipedia: Freie Syrische Armee
Am 23. September 2011 vereinigte sich die Freie Syrische Armee mit der Bewegung Freier Offiziere und wurde zur größten Oppositionsarmee.[24][26] Die genaue Zahl der Soldaten, die zur Freien Syrischen Armee übergelaufen sind, ist jedoch unbekannt. Westliche Geheimdienstquellen schätzten die Zahl der Kämpfer im Oktober 2011 auf mehr als 10.000 Überläufer.[27] Nach Angaben ihres Anführers Riad Asaad im November 2011 gewann die Freie Syrische Armee jedes Mal, wenn sie einen Angriff durchführte, „100 bis 300 weitere Mitglieder“.[28] Im Dezember 2011 gab es nach Angaben der Aktivisten etwa 15.000 bis 25.000 Überläufer von den syrischen Streitkräften,[29] im März 2012 gab die Freie Syrische Armee an, 50.000 bis 60.000 Soldaten zu kommandieren.[30]
90 % der FSA Soldaten sind sunnitische Muslime,[23] kleine Minderheiten in der Armee sind Alawiten[23] und ein paar Drusen. Mehr als 15 % der FSA-Einheiten sind Kurden.[31][32] Des Weiteren gibt es palästinensische Rebellenkommandeure in dem Flüchtlingslager Jarmuk im Süden von Damaskus.[33]
Da waren rund 15 Gruppen beteiligt , junq al aqsa mit paar hundert .Fedaykin schrieb:http://www.zeit.de/news/2015-11/05/syrien-aktivisten-dschihadisten-nehmen-wichtige-syrische-stadt-morek-ein-05112602
mmh entweder Unfähigkeit der SAA oder eine vermeidlich Strategisches Mannöver?
du hast also keine Ahnung, wie der Plan aussah, bist dir aber sicher, dass es nicht gefunzt hat... Meisterleistung :)
ja schon interessant was da so läuft:smokingun schrieb:Assad hat übrigens auch viele zivilisten entführt und bis zum tode gefoltert und betreibt dass perfiderweise
Maher Arar wurde in Syrien fast ein Jahr lang schwer gefoltert und misshandelt. Die syrischen Folterknechte verhörten den kanadischen Staatsbürger syrischer Herkunft im Auftrag der USA, die ihn als Terrorismusverdächtigen einstuften und nach Syrien überstellten.kannst die Moralkeule wieder einpacken
Obwohl er mittlerweile von einer kanadischen Untersuchungskommission von jeglichem Verdacht freigesprochen wurde, findet der Informatiker keine Arbeit mehr.
So schlecht scheint es gar nicht zu laufen und manch einer vergißt, dass die Armee ausgelaugt istderpreusse schrieb:Ich wunder mich immer wieder über die gezeigte Unfähigkeit der syrischen Armee.
dein ( englischsprachiger ) link damals vor gut ner woche hatte das eigentlich alles ganz gut zusammengefasst .
ja eben . glaub da waren hauptsächlich iraner involviert . müsst nochmal nachschauen .unreal-live schrieb: haben syrische Regimetruppen
Das Thema ist Komplex, und zieht sich interessanter Weise durch alle Arabischen Armeen.
Ach, jetzt muss also der "Krieg gegen den Terror" herhalten um Assad's Untaten zu rechtfertigen...klassisches Whataboutism.catman schrieb:kannst die Moralkeule wieder einpacken
wo wird denn irgendwas gerechtfertigt ?
ausblenden und verleugnen hilft dir nicht weiter...jetzt stehts nunmal da
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wahrscheinlich nicht
einen ? Kannst ja mal die Namensliste von Zehntausenden veröffentlichen... bis dahin sinds auch "nur" Einzelfälle
