die trollbox hat gesprochen.
dosbox schrieb:Neulich brannte hier ein Holzlager ab, das aus Stahl war. Die darin gelagerte, große Menge Holz hat tatsächlich dafür gesorgt, dass der Stahlbau einstürzt ist, aber dafür müsste es auch heiss und lange genug brennen. Der Bau war offen und die Luftversorgung günstig.
du hast das 150t flugzeug vergessen...
dosbox schrieb:Und ich meine richtig viel Holz und kein Furnier aus Büromöbeln.
ja, richtig viel holz, in form von papier bsw. und es ist nicht nur holz, das zur brandlast beitragen kann. sowas sollte man in deinem alter wissen. aber gut, du hast deine weltfremdheit auf anderen gebieten offenbart, deshalb sollte es nicht überraschend sein. naja, ist es trotzdem...
dosbox schrieb:Der Sprit aus den Flugzeugtanks ist schnell verpufft und hat keine nachhaltigen Feuer verursacht
schwachsinn. so eine menge kerosin kann nicht mir nichts dir nichts sprichwörtlich in rauch aufgehen, ohne entsprechend energie abzugeben. das ist physikalisch unmöglich.
dass es sich nicht in null-komm-nichts in luft auflöste wird aus zahlreichen zeugenberichten ersichtlich...
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51st floor
?Yeah, this is the police desk. Did you get that message that there?s burning jet fuel on the 51st floor, one World Trade Center?
?There?s what burning?
?Burning Jet fuel!
50th floor
By the time they got to about the 50th floor, United Airlines Flight 175 had slammed into the south tower of the World Trade Center, something he wouldn't know about until later.
Instead, the smell of kerosene was getting stronger and soon he felt people bumping into him as Roselle, Frank and he continued downstairs.
47th floor
They are saying they smell gas, and they can?t come out. (Transcript, WTC channel 09 Police desk 3541 Center, pg. 6)
47th floor, 911 Emergency recording 8:56:57 From floor 47 a female caller states building shook and smells gas.
40th floor
Lynn Lickers: "We were on the 40th floor (I think) when some firemen and police officers moved us to another stairwell since the one we were in was too congested. As we walked across the hallways to get to the south side stairwell, the stench of jet fuel permeated the air, and a ceiling down one of the corridors had collapsed.
27th floor, as south tower collapses
The North Tower shook and swayed with the concussion. The lights went out. The rumble shook jet fuel, flowing it down the elevator shafts; Jonas smelled a strong odor of kerosene. He pressed his air mask to his face.
12th floor
Jeff: When we reached the 12th floor the air resounded with a dull thud, and the steps quivered. As one we looked up the way we had come, fearing that the fuel we could smell should turn to flame. When that did not occur we resumed our trek.
http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethenorthtower:witnessaccounts,floo2http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethesouthtower%3Aeyewitnessaccounts----
dosbox schrieb:Einwirkzeit und Luftversorgung waren in jeder Hinsicht ungünstig.
warum sollte in 350m höhe, wo hohe windgeschwindigkeiten herrschen und neben ein austrittsloch, gesprengte fensterreihen und ventilationssystem ein mind. 15m breites eintrittsloch klafft, die luftzufuhr ungünstig sein? die frage nach der logischen begründung erübrigt sich. es wird wie immer geschwiegen oder abgelenkend lamentiert.
dosbox schrieb:Wie gesagt: Der Brandschutz hat funktioniert
das hat er nicht, was im gegensatz zu deiner unbelegten, schwachen behauptung nicht nur durch bildbeweise und dokumente belegt ist, sondern obendrein rational nachvollziehbar ist, da es sich nicht um einen robusten, blast proof feuerschutz gehandelt hat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYsxLIl9KbMdosbox schrieb: und die Feuerwehrleute haben den Bau für "sicher" erklärt und wollten Verstärkung nachfordern.
was ebenfalls inkorrekt ist.
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Reports on the FDNY response to 9-11 generally
agree that, as the FDNY-commissioned McKinsey
study put it, "Chief officers considered a
limited, localized collapse of the towers
possible, but did not think that they would
collapse entirely." For some of the fire
officers, that confidence might have been based
on a misconception about how the towers were
built: The FDNY chief of safety says in his oral
history that he thought the towers were made of
block construction, with a solid concrete core,
so that fire crews would have at least three
hours to work. In fact, the cores of the towers
were sheetrock over steel. And the citywide
safety chief in charge that day didn't know a plane had hit the north tower.
Evidently, fears about collapse evolved as the
disaster wore on. Peter Ganci, the highest
ranking chief and one of the 343 fire personnel
who died, reportedly told the commander in the
north-tower lobby at 9:45 a.m. that he might want
to consider an evacuationalmost 45 minutes
before that building collapsed. Assistant Chief
Joseph Callan, the citywide tour commander that
day, told investigators: "Approximately 40
minutes after I arrived in the lobby I made a
decision that the building was no longer safe and
that was based on the conditions in the
lobbylarge pieces of plaster falling, all the
20-foot-high glass panels on the exterior of the
lobby were breaking, there was obvious movement
of the building, and that was the reason on the
handy talky I gave the order for all fire
department units to leave the north tower.
Approximately ten minutes after that we had
collapse of the south tower." Fire chiefs also
receivedjust moments before the south tower
fella report that someone from the city's Office
of Emergency Management thought the towers
weren't structurally sound. The source of that report is unknown.
http://www.mail-archive.com/medianews@twiar.org/msg06930.html----
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FiatLuxFan schrieb:Ich kann einfach nicht glauben das Hani Hanjour zu so einem Manöver fähig war.
zum hundertsten mal: es war
KEIN kompliziertes Top Gun Maneuver, jeder hobbypilot kann das vollführen, was auch hinreichend bewiesen worden ist...
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