Sichtungen 1997 Phoenix, Arizona im Kontext!

Wolfshaag schrieb:Wo habe ich Dich denn mit Dreck beworfen?

Hier:

Wolfshaag schrieb:Hier wird es erklärt. :) @Groucho liefert das perfekte Beispiel. :D

http://grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.de/2013/06/ersatzreligion-stress-und-furch-erhoht.html (Archiv-Version vom 18.06.2013)

Und hier geht es gleich weiter:

Wolfshaag schrieb:oO Ich diskutiere nicht mal mit gläubigen Ignoranten, wie Dir.

Wolfshaag schrieb: Das hat aber weniger mit dem Thema an sich zu tun, als mit Eurer mangelnden Diskussionskultur und dem unumstößlichen Glauben, dass pure Rechthaberei und Wissen das gleiche sind. ;)

Also im Gegensatz zu Smokie und Luminarah habe ich Argumente gebracht, während die beiden hauptsächlich pöbeln, "Flugzeugzeugen" diskreditieren wo sie nur können, aber jede unsinnige Zuegenaussagen fastunhinterfagt ernst nehmen.

Wie Nervenschock schon sagte, keiner von uns ist so dumm, zu glauben einen von euch überzeugen zu können.
Das ist sozusagen ein Service für unschuldig vorbeireisende Jugendliche, die sich noch nicht so gut auskennen mit euren Techniken.

@Groucho
Du fühlst Dich von einem Forschungsergebnis der University of Oxford beleidigt? OK. :D
Darauf bezog sich auch meine Aussage bezüglich der gläubigen Ignoranz. ;)
Der dritte Satz, den Du da von mir zitierst, ist schlicht meine Ansicht über Leute, wie Dich und nervenschock, nachdem ich zig Beiträge von Euch gelesen habe.

Groucho schrieb: Also im Gegensatz zu Smokie und Luminarah habe ich Argumente gebracht, während die beiden hauptsächlich pöbeln, "Flugzeugzeugen" diskreditieren wo sie nur können, aber jede unsinnige Zuegenaussagen fastunhinterfagt ernst nehmen.

Was nun wirklich lächerlich ist, wenn man Deine Postings hier seitenlang liest. Kaum jemand hat soviel Geduld mit Euch selbsternannten "Skeptikern", wie @Luminarah und @smokingun.
Das Du aber zu keinem Zeitpunkt bereit warst, irgendeine andere Sicht, oder Interpretationsweise, als Deine eigene zuzulassen, spricht doch für sich.

Groucho schrieb: Wie Nervenschock schon sagte, keiner von uns ist so dumm, zu glauben einen von euch überzeugen zu können.
Das ist sozusagen ein Service für unschuldig vorbeireisende Jugendliche, die sich noch nicht so gut auskennen mit euren Techniken.

Besser hätte man Euren fanatischen Eifer wohl kaum illustrieren können, sonst bräuchtet Ihr beide ja kein "moralisches und erklärendes Mäntelchen", um Eure Rechthaberei rumzuhängen.
Wer seid Ihr denn? Die heilige Inquisition? :D
Wie gesagt, besser hättet Ihr das Forschungsergebnis der University of Oxford gar nicht belegen können. :D

Jene Studie ist übrigens nahezu wertlos, da sie als Prämisse die Existenz eines "belief in science" voraussetzt. Wissenschaft benötigt jedoch keinen Glauben. Ganz im Gegenteil.
Und da diese Prämisse, eine notwendige Voraussetzung der Studie, falsch ist, ist die gesamte Studie falsch, bzw wertlos.

Groucho schrieb:Also im Gegensatz zu Smokie und Luminarah habe ich Argumente gebracht, während die beiden hauptsächlich pöbeln

lol. selbst dieses zitat ist ja nur DEIN pöbeln und ausserdem wieder mal das genaue gegenteil .. und das kann ja jeder selbst nachlesen

ab hier bist du reingestolpert :

Sichtungen 1997 Phoenix, Arizona im Kontext! (Seite 64)

@nervenschock
War Deine Gelaber von "Lesern, die von Suchmaschinen hierher kommen, auch mal Fakten präsentiert bekommen statt des ewigen und in Endlosschleifen sich wiederholenden ufoholischen Geredes," schon lächerlich, wird es jetzt mal wieder peinlich, wenn Du hier, mit dem Habitus des Großinquisitors behauptest, eine Studie der University of Oxford sei wertlos, weil sie von einer falschen Prämisse ausgehe.

Wahrscheinlicher ist doch, dass Du die Prämisse entweder nicht verstanden hast, oder sie schlicht nicht in Dein kleines Weltbild passt.

nervenschock schrieb: Wissenschaft benötigt jedoch keinen Glauben. Ganz im Gegenteil.

Eigentor Nummer 2. :D Wieder nur eine leere Worthülse, die Du irgendwo aufgeschnappt hast, hm? :D
Wenn Du dem empirischen Beweis also nicht "glauben" willst, sondern "ganz im Gegenteil", erklärt das natürlich warum Du hier ständig widerlegt wirst und welche Fakten Du dem "Leser, der von einer Suchmaschine hierher geleitet wurde" präsentierst, nämlich gar keine, sondern lediglich Dein subjektives Weltbild.

@Wolfshaag
Ich werde für meinen Teil in Zukunft die für mich sinnfreien Beiträge von Groucho konsequent ignorieren damit wir uns hier wieder dem Fall widmen und nicht nutzlos rumpalavern genauso wie ich das schon lange bei Nervenschock so praktiziere.

@smokingun

Und deswegen fände ich es besser ,auf die orbs und den steakth cloak einzugehen ,zum Rest ist ausreichend Stellung bezogen.

Wolfshaag schrieb:Der dritte Satz, den Du da von mir zitierst, ist schlicht meine Ansicht über Leute, wie Dich und nervenschock, nachdem ich zig Beiträge von Euch gelesen habe.

Das kann ich nur unterstreichen.

@Wolfshaag
Meine Ansicht ist ,das das V von Orbs begleitet wurde ,wie die Doku und Smokinggun das auch schon anführten. Darüber werden wir auch noch diskutieren...

@Luminarah
Was meint Ihr denn für "Orbs"? Staubpartikel, welche Licht reflektieren? Sowas kenne ich nur aus der Geisterrubrik und halte ich für vollkommenen Quatsch, daher wäre es nett, wenn Ihr das mal ausführen könntet.

@Wolfshaag

lol....aber neh...in der Ufologie ist da was ganz anderes gemeint als diese "geisterschmutz -regenflecken" im nahen umkreis vor/auf kameras bei den "paraleuten" . der begriff "Orb" bed. Kugel es geht dabei um einen UfO Typus der aber auch gerne "Spheren" genannt wird .

dazu habe ich zufällig auch ein Thread gemacht ^^

UFO-Sphären--Orbs, Eine Analyse!


@Luminarah

hier nochmals dazu die Phoenix Event-Analyse von MUFON&Skywatch Direktor B. Hamilton:


Event 1 of a Type 1 object is the sighting of the boomerang formation. However, the number of lights in the boomerang seemed to vary along the path of the object from 5 to 7 according to the witnesses. Some of the witnesses described this formation or object as huge, even up to 1 mile in span. It traveled, according to all witnesses, on a trajectory from Northwest to Southeast. It traveled at slow velocity along most of its course with one exception where it seemed to accelerate quickly. Its altitude was estimated to be below 5,000 feet. We know this is simply an estimate as it is difficult to determine the altitude of a flying object in the night sky.The witnesses agreed they could hear no sound emanating from the boomerang. The color of the lights changed between white and red.

Event 2 of a Type 2 object was the big black triangular form that was estimated by some witnesses to be as large as 2 miles in span! The lights on this object varied from none to as many as 9 amber lights. Some saw white lights, but they did not glow brightly. This object was seen to apparently deploy one of the lights to the west as it was moving on its southeasterly trajectory. The independent light-object has been described as a small orb or sphere that glows, but does not cast a corona, glare, or reflection from opaque surfaces.Event 3 - lights were the formation of amber-gold-orange lights seen arrayed near the Estrella Mountains and videotaped at around 10:00 p.m. It turns out by actual count that 8 lights formed part of an arc and 1 light was separated from this arc by a downward 10-degree angle from an imaginary coordinate system. This separated light from a closer perspective was actually two lights extremely close together. These lights looked to be perfectly round when seen through a telescope and had no corona or glare emanating from them.

Event 4 - of a Type 3 object were the 2 large top-shaped object with engirdling pulsing rings of red light seen by Bill Greiner near Luke AFB. These lights were also seen traveling North to South on the west side of the valley. Bill reported seeing 3 jets take off from Luke AFB to intercept the nearest object. That object then performed a rapid vertical ascent leaving the planes far behind.

Event 5 - Globes were reported seen in the vicinity of the triangle described as Event 2. These were large white luminescent globes that hovered silently over Fountain Hills, east of Scottsdale. These were somewhat similar to the objects seen by Bill Greiner, but no pulsing ring was seen. At this point in the analysis we knew that these objects were unconventional; they did not behave like a conventional aircraft or natural objects. They were unidentified; they were not identifiable as a known class of objects or aircraft according to the descriptions given by witnesses. They were unknown; the origin and nature of the objects are not generally known. As we probed further my co-investigator Michael Tanner came up with a further analysis:


1. FORMATION OF HOVERING ORBS - First observed in a hexagram pattern at about 7:30 p.m. over the Superstition Mountains area east of Phoenix in the characteristic 8+1(or 2) formation of amber orbs and was next seen in two separate arc patterns with "trailing lights" over Gila River area at about 9:50 and again at 10:00 at the southern edge of Phoenix where they were seen by thousands and videotaped by a handful who had camcorders close enough at hand to catch the fleeting minutes of their displays. These amateur videos have immortalized the orb formations, becoming known around the world as The Phoenix Lights. These are the very same lights that started the controversy over "flares" and that will be taken up in the next chapter. The last appearance of the hovering orbs of the night was made over a now recognized "hot-spot" of Rainbow Valley arrayed in a "V" formation at about 2:00 a.m. on March 14th (and again appeared on January 14, 1998).

2. "V" FORMATION OF FLYING ORBS - First seen leaving the Henderson-Las Vegas area and entering Arizona at high speed, a V-formation of five to seven orbs, variously seen as bright blue-white to a yellow-white, came through the Prescott Valley area at low altitude by 7:50 p.m., turning south, where by 8:28, were videotaped (displaying their characteristic movement within the formation) at the north end of the valley that comprises the Phoenix metro area. In an apparent slower mode of flight, the orbs appeared at that point as amber in color as the formation moved along Interstate 10 angling toward Tucson after having been visually seen (not on radar) to intersect air traffic coming in on approach to Sky Harbor International Airport. After hovering for several minutes over a car full of witnesses driving north on I-10 at 65 mph, the formation was then picked up by observers in the Oracle area who reported the orbs' color as red to red-orange before the formation split up, going in separate directions while skirting the edges of the Tucson metropolitan area. At various points independent of this very specific formation, individual orbs were seen to shoot across the metro Phoenix valley with some moving away from and then re-docking with one or more of the Very Large Objects (VLOs) which came through later in the night.


3. CHEVRON VLO (narrow angle) - Observed first as a "V" formation of five white lights moving slowly and silently toward Prescott Valley from the northwest at about 8:15 p.m., the "chevron" was soon clearly seen as a single object. The huge craft made a pivot turn over the witnesses' home there while the lights shifted into an arc formation while the lights turned red and then it shot off at blinding speed toward Phoenix. At that time the next set of witnesses in central Phoenix saw the object coming directly toward them (estimated at Mach 2 or 3) while still in the "turbo" mode arc configuration, and then, as if to slow back down again, was seen to change back into a "V" whereupon it cruised silently and slowly right over their heads (only 100 to 200 feet above at 10 or 15 mph). The craft was later seen to zigzag through the valley, even changing altitude at various points and hovering for five minutes at the edge of Sky Harbor before proceeding south (right over the Village Lab building) to Interstate-10. After following I-10 several miles to Picacho Peak, the enormous craft (estimated at 900 feet or more on each leading edge and more than a mile in length to its "taillights") hovered once again for 10 to 15 minutes until there was no further track of it. According to Michael, this is a possible docking point for this craft and the giant triangle that followed it down I-10 some fifteen minutes later. This same "chevron" or similar craft was seen traveling east to west over north Phoenix at about 10:50 p.m.

4. BOOMERANG VLO (wide angle) - This "V" formation, consisting of five groups of three lights, was confirmed to be a single huge object by various Prescott-area witnesses, being equivalent to a formation of five 747s flying absolutely lock-step in formation toward Phoenix. The craft was seen to make a southerly turn at about 8:25, once again, in the Prescott Valley area, after first approaching from the northwest. This VLO was later seen (although not clearly enough to identify) by an America West pilot who called Sky Harbor tower wondering what "those nine lights were", and an amateur astronomer in Phoenix who wrote it off as a formation of conventional airplanes. It is possible that this craft was the same as the giant triangle(wide angle) described below.

5. TRIANGULAR VLO (narrow angle) - This is the one seen by the family in Chandler. It may be the same Triangle or Deltoid craft seen by others as a wide angle craft. It had definite structure complete with panels in a grid along with lights at each of the three corners and a larger center light. Multiple witnesses confirm its northwest to southeast flight path through the eastern part of the valley with some observers seeing one or more orbs leaving and then re-docking with this VLO at various points. This particular craft was seen to "split in two" by a resident in Gilbert, south of Chandler.

6. BIG BLACK TRIANGLE (wide angle) - By all accounts the largest of the VLOs in the March 13th parade of craft, this gigantic craft was first seen at close range over north Phoenix between 8:30 and 8:45 where the key witnesses (real estate people who subdivided the area) estimated its size to be as much as two miles wide as its wingtip lights fell over two parallel streets that are 1.8 miles apart. Its flight path brought it low to the ground at this point (less than 2,000 feet) where it was seen to not only have dozens of lights along its leading edges, but also a row of windows wherein the silhouettes of "people" were observed! At some point further south, other witnesses reported that they saw nothing but the row of windows with beings (also in silhouette) as all of the lights were turned off at that point. By the time the VLO was seen over I-10 south of Casa Grande, however, three large lights were seen to be turned on, one at each corner, with smaller lights on along with the leading headlight. The witnesses here reported that it took them one to two minutes to drive under this immense ship while they were driving at 80 mph! They estimated the width of this VLO to be at least two, possibly three miles wide and big enough for a C5-A Galaxy or "Condor" troop transport (the largest conventional aircraft known) to land upon it! The craft had definite structure to it and the family of witnesses described its color as a flat blue-black like the color of a shotgun barrel. They also reported seeing rectangular "panel-like" structures on the underside of this craft. Another large triangle was seen moving just north of Thunderbird Road at around 10:45 p.m., but the configuration of the triangle was different. That triangle had a V-cut into its trailing edge to give it a very distinctive look.

7. GIANT DISCOID VLO - Witnessed first by a retired airline pilot, his sons and a friend, and seen coming down Scottsdale Road at about 10:20 p.m., this huge circular craft, featuring amber lights around its perimeter (at an estimated one mile in diameter) was seen to make a purposeful turn toward Sky Harbor at about Camelback Road where it also intersected air traffic before disappearing from view over South Mountain. The corroborating central Phoenix witness, also a former pilot (Vietnam) and retired U.S. Marshal, described how the craft both reflected the city lights on its underbelly and blocked out the stars with its upper half, attesting to its being a single craft of spectacular "mile-wide" proportions. This witness also claimed to have videotaped what he saw from the roof of his apartment building, but his tapes mysteriously disappeared in what may amount to a genuine "men-in-black (MIB)" episode. This craft may also have docked with the "chevron" craft and cloaked in "visual stealth" mode in its earlier pass through Phoenix at about 8:20 to 8:30, but this is purest speculation. The two craft reappeared (or two similar ones) in June and were photographed together at high altitude over Phoenix by the same witnesses with a 35mm camera while also viewing them with binoculars. A separate set of unconnected witnesses also reported the sighting of a huge discoid craft (bigger than Sun Devil Stadium at ASU) hovering at treetop level right off of the west end of the Sky Harbor runways at between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m. one morning about two weeks before March 13th.

8. MILITARY JET/UFO INTERCEPTION ATTEMPTS - We have to date identified four such events (there may be more) that clearly point to the conclusion that the Phoenix Lights UFO incident of March 13, 1997 was certainly no secret "black ops" or classified military exercise as many people would like to believe. A woman who lives next to Luke Air Force Base in the west part of the valley surfaced to report that at least 6 pairs of jets and as many as 8 were "scrambled" out of the base on the night of March 13th, something she could never recall witnessing before. One researcher called Luke AFB and asked someone who was out on the flight line if anything was seen by base personnel, and, unofficially, he answered that "they" were all over the place. The response from Luke spokesmen and their response to FOIA requests indicate that they were receiving phone calls about the lights, but never scrambled any jets to pursue them. Witnesses say different. Here are the witness reports:

A) Crown King at 5:30 p.m. - A formation of 3 huge "Vs" were seen hovering over this pine-topped mountain and were soon joined by a diamond-shaped or triangular craft which appeared "out of thin air" (at first seen as an amber light). As the four objects were hovering together, two jets were seen to come low from the south (from the direction of Luke AFB) at which point the UFOs went into a "stack", collapsed upon each other while going "into a ball", then totally disappeared! This would be called a case of high strangeness. Finding nothing there, the two jets circled the Crown King area and returned in the direction of the base. Similar disappearing acts of formations of "Vs", one over Lake Mead that afternoon and on March 27th over Elmont, New York were reported to Village Labs after seeing the article published in USA Today.

B) Central Phoenix at 8:15 p.m. - A pair of F-15s were dispatched from Luke AFB to attempt an interception of one or more of the Vs approaching or entering the valley at that time. This was reported to NUFORC by a ground crewman at Luke who stated that the aircraft were equipped with gun cameras and that one of the pilots had to be helped out of his plane because he was so shaken by his encounter. A cursory check revealed that Luke AFB no longer has F-15s in its inventory and only has the F-16 aircraft. However, at one time both were maintained at Luke. Could these F-15s have been visiting aircraft? There is still some attempt to locate the civilian witness who corroborated this story. C) North Phoenix at 9:30 p.m. - One of the witnesses who had earlier witnesses with his wife the giant wide-angle triangle reported that when he was later at home, he saw in the distance what appeared to be the return of the triangle, this time with only three lights on, one at each corner. As the UFO hovered near the Deer Valley Airport in northwest Phoenix, he saw two military jets approach the triangle, with one jet seen to pass one side of it and the other seen to fly up under it, veering down at the last moment to avoid midair collision.

D) Luke AFB at 10:00 p.m. - (The original Event 4 - the first aircraft/UFO encounter to be reported). A truck driver who had been watching two unusual amber lights move ahead of him to the south for fully two hours as he drove down I-17 from Camp Verde, reported that as he neared his destination, a materials plant near Luke AFB, the two UFOs seemed to have stopped their movement and were hovering.

Once at the plant, while waiting for his truck to be unloaded, he stood on a pile of materials to watch what were now seen as two identical, toy-top like amber orbs (like hot air balloons without hanging baskets) having a white iridescent sheen and a band of red pulsating light, with the nearest to him being one to two miles distant right near the runway at Luke. Suddenly, two F-16s, followed by a third, "blasted out of Luke with their afterburners on full", made a steep bank directly over the witness and headed straight for the nearest UFO. At the moment the lead jets were about to close on the UFO, it shot straight up and disappeared "in an instant" as the jets passed right through the very spot where the object had been hovering. The second UFO also vanished, as it was no longer hovering in the northwest. As you can see by Michael Tanner's event analysis and my own event analysis, there was a lot of activity on March 13th, yet the media chose to cover only 2 of these events. The Big Black Triangle has been virtually ignored by the journalists and is considered significant since these triangles have been reported more frequently throughout most of the world.


PS: sry dass ich dies nicht alles übersetze und wie ich bemerkt habe sind einige wichtige links leider hier bereits "down" dh hab ich gedacht ich copypaste mal (ausnahmsweise) alles, damit es hier noch archiviert wird .

lg

@smokingun
OK, thx. :D

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Vllt besteht hier ein zusammenhang? Evtl. wurden 1997 Drohnen Designs getestet? Bezieht sich natürlich nur auf das erste Event.

smokingun schrieb am 17.06.2013:object as huge, even up to 1 mile in span.

smokingun schrieb am 17.06.2013:to be as large as 2 miles in span

Man hat dann das Design mit diesen Riesendrohnen wieder verlassen ...

Wieviele "V"s flogen da eigentlich rum?

Hier sind ja schonmal zwei genannt.

also wenn eine sichtung echt sein könnte, dann ist es diese hier.

zu viele augenzeugen, es wurden ja anscheinend echt mächtige teile gesichtet,da ist es echt schwer flames oder sonst was als "auflösung" zu benutzen.

auf jeden fall sehr sehr interessant

Von den "mächtigen Teilen" gibt es allerdings keinerlei fotografische oder andere Belege. Was es gibt, sind Bilder von Leuchtkörpern.

Naja, das ist aber auch nur zu verständlich, denn dieses wunderbare außerirdische Dingsbums kann sich ausdehnen und zusammenziehen, sichtbar und unsichtbar(bzw.transparent) machen und wenn ihm danach ist bzw die Umstände es erfordern, kann es sich auch in Dr. Lynn Kitei verwandeln, ääh ich meine in Orbs

smokingun schrieb
object as huge, even up to 1 mile in span.


smokingun schrieb:
to be as large as 2 miles in span

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ2kv7qiIA4

Das folgende Beispiel kann man ab ca. der 17. min. des Clips sehen.

Keans: "Die Air Force will gegen 22:00 Uhr Leuchtraketen abgeworfen haben, die ersten Sichtungen gingen aber schon weit über eine Stunde vorher ein. Das verhöhnt über tausende von Zeugen."

Für mich sind in diesem Fall gleich mehrere Punkte unseriös, aber so offensichtlich, dass ich das jetzt nicht alles erkläre. Sollte diesbezüglich Bedarf bestehen hole ich das gerne nach.

So Smokie oder Wolf, dann zeigt mir mal, warum dies nicht ziemlich schlecht ist (*)



(*) Ich habe bewusst "schlecht" als Ausdruck gewählt, weil das erstmal offen lässt, ob die Dame nur zu blöd ist, oder absichtlich Sachen erfindet.

@wolf
Bist du denn eigentlich (so wie Smokie) auch der Meinung, dass die zweite Sichtung, nicht die vom Militär angeblich abgeworfenen Flares zeigt?

@Groucho

nun der clip kann ich nicht anschauen -> "Dieser Partner hat das Video in deinem Land aus urheberrechtlichen Gründen gesperrt. " und ich kann diesen Abschnitt auch nirgends anders finden auch auf der N24 Seite ist es leider down... aber das ist doch diese doku die sie von discovery gekauft und unbenannt und neu geschnitten haben ?!?

Groucho schrieb:weil das erstmal offen lässt, ob die Dame nur zu blöd ist, oder absichtlich Sachen erfindet.

was hat sie denn erfunden? Es ist doch richtig dass man diese Zeugen bis heute ignoriert hat und dass die ufo sichtungen schon Stunden vorher begannen.

nachtrag-berichtigung:

die Original version der Dokumentation stammt vom History Channel und die deutsche synchro &titel davon heisst "Geheimakte UfO". N24 hat dass da abgekauft neu geschnitten und auch die sprecher wurden ersetzt und daraus resultieren deutliche inhaltliche unterschiede.! (was man schon in den ersten 10 Minuten gut feststellt) das hat vill.nicht unbedingt mit jeder spezifischen Aussage darin zutun ....aber ich würde doch eher von der N24 Version abraten ..

smokingun schrieb:nun der clip kann ich nicht anschauen -> "Dieser Partner hat das Video in deinem Land aus urheberrechtlichen Gründen gesperrt. "

BIst du nicht in D ansässig?
Bei mir läuft der nach wie vor.
Versuch es vielleicht direkt bei YT "Die geheimen Ufo Akten - Besuch aus dem All (Folge 1)"

smokingun schrieb:und ich kann diesen Abschnitt auch nirgends anders finden auch auf der N24 Seite ist es leider down... aber das ist doch diese doku die sie von discovery gekauft und unbenannt und neu geschnitten haben ?!?

Ja, bei N24 habe ich den auch nicht gefunden und ja, ich fürchte, die haben dass nochmal "dramatisiert"

smokingun schrieb:Es ist doch richtig dass man diese Zeugen bis heute ignoriert hat

Was heißt ignoriert? Du meinst damit, dass es keine offizielle Untersuchung gegeben hat?
Ja, das stimmt.
(Wobei ich mich schon frage, warum Symington nicht wenigstens eine geheime Untersuchung eingeleitet hat. Als Gouverneur dürfte es doch kein Problem gewesen sein, eine Untersuchungskommission einzurichten)

smokingun schrieb:und dass die ufo sichtungen schon Stunden vorher begannen.

Ja, natürlich ist das richtig. Aber was sie hier macht ist dennoch unzulässig.
Sie tut so, als wollte das Militär etwas vertuschen, Wieso soll es die Zeugen verhöhnen, wenn das Militär zu den bekannten Bildern sagt, "Ja, das waren wir"
WIR WOLLEN JETZT NICHT DARÜBER DISKUTIERN, OB DAS FLARES WAREN.
Die besagten Aufnahmen zeigen doch gar nicht das V.
Wie kann man bitte auf die Idee kommen, das Militär wollte die erste Sichtung mit der zweiten erklären?
Ich kenne keine Aussage des Militärs, die besagt, dass sie ALLES (also auch das V) mit Flares erklären wollen. Das dann so darzustellen wie Frau Kean ist journalistisch mehr als unredlich.