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Q: How did the magic fireball damage multiple floors in sub basement level without being detected or destroying car 50 and its occupants?
Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
A: "The main source of the fireball in WTC 1 lobby and on B-4, came from shafts 6 and 7."
I was pleased to read your post Norseman as you have clearly abondoned the official theory in respect to a magic fireball descending the freight elevator shaft. The magic fireball, according to your new modified position, has moved over to the express elevator shaft 6 and 7. Once I debunk this new modified position, and I will, reason demands that you seek an alternative explanation.
There are definite strengths to your modified theory:
Firstly, it avoids the problem of facing contradictory testimony since elevator car 6 and 7 were inoperable that day thus no passengers were inside these elevators. Nist state “elevator 6 and 7 were out of service for moderisation” (NCSTAR 1 – 8, p43).
Secondly, damage to the elevator doorways and elevator cars of 6 and 7 is documented in (a) testimony from Dave Bobbitt “the doors of elevator number 6 and 7 (in the lobby) had been blown out” and (b) from NIST NCSTAR 1-8 p43 “the doors were blown off by the fireball that came down the elevator shaft and the elevators cars were burnt.” Such references do seem to support the offical story.
Thirdly, I agree with your claim that the overpressure from a fireball would be greater in the express elevator shaft than in the freight elevator shaft. You provide two reasons in support of this claim (1) the express elevator shaft was more narrow and (2) the express elevator shaft had less doorways and because it had less doorways less fuel could escape if a doorway was blown out by overpressure.
So to be clear: you’re arguing that a fireball from the impact zone decended 90+ floors blowing out elevator doors down the express elevator shaft and eventually causing structural damage from the lobby to basement level 5.
A major problem for your new modified theory is revealed by the following quote:
(NIST NCSTAR 1-7, p32 PDF) “We have two elevators serving only particular floors, beginning from basement level 1, Car 6 and 7. Though their lowest elevator opening was in basement level 1, their shafts went as deep as basement level 4”. This means that, unlike the fireball descending the freight elevator shaft, the fireball descending the express elevator shaft had NO ACCESS to basement levels which it allegedly damages!
Consequently the fireball had to blast through the shaft walls and pit before it could enter and inflict damage to the basement levels. Now assuming the fireball will decrease in energy over time and distance from the impact zone and assuming that the fireball did in fact blast down the shaft walls and pit in the basement levels then we are expected to believe that a weaker fireball in the basment levels can blast through shaft walls whereas the stronger fireball previously descending the elevator shaft could not? It makes no sense.
It stands to reason, that if the fireball really did have enough strength to blast down shaft walls it would have done so long before it reached the basement. Now if you can accept that blasting down doorways allows jet fuel to escape then it follows that when blasting down shaft walls a similar loss would occur. Thus if a fireball actually did have the strenght to blast down shaft walls then a fireball would never actually reach the basement since naturally all the fuel would be expended in blasting down the shaft walls. However because we know a fireball did reach the basement (Griffith’s testimony) we know that fireballs cannot blast through shaft walls.
Next major problem. If you watch carefully all the below examples of deflagration, FAE’s, and backdrafts you should notice that they all share one thing in common and that is they ALL travel through the path of least resistance with no exception. So here is a list to watch:
4. POST#46 in the thread has a nice link
5. video of the plane impact into tower one and two
6. videos of any FAE in a movie
I challenge any debunker to produce just one video of a FAE, deflagration, or backdraft that travels through the path of most resistence. Until a single video, experiment or study is produced to that effect I will assume that the natural behaviour of ALL fireballs is to travel through the path of least resistence and anyone that claims otherwise is simply talking rubbish.
Now returning to our express elevator shaft 6 and 7. (a) the elevator shaft itself is the path of least resistence (b) The doorways are the path of more resistence, (c) the shaft walls were the path of even more resistence, and (d) the shaft pit was the path of most resistence. So in order to turn several basment walls into rubble it had to blast down the shaft walls at B 2. To cause a cave-in on the PATH platform the fireball had to travel through the path of most resistence, take a horizontal turn and then blast through three or so walls. When you can actually visualize this you can understand just how “magic” this fireball must have been: http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5...1284cutke7.jpg
But not only are we expected to believe that this fireball defies how ALL natural fireballs should behave we are expected to believe that it can cause ALL this structural damage (i.e. blasting through shaft walls, pits, turning walls into rubble etc) yet it only “burns” the elevtor cars 6 and 7 that were right in its path!! Wow the makes sense.
Next major problem is testimony, I mean if you are correct and the fireball that damaged the basment levels originated from the express elevator shaft then we would expect to hear testimony of people in the basement describing the moment when the fireball blast down the shaft walls to enter. Unfortunately for you, I was unable to locate any testimony that could support your theory and I seriously doubt that you can either. In B-4, for instance, all testimony (e.g. Samchez, Morelli, etc) points to a fireball coming down the freight elevator shaft and not the express elevator shaft. Frankly it is beyond belief that a fireball could blast through the shaft pit in B-4 yet manage not to blast down the shaft walls at B-4 where of course it would have been witnessed by several indiciuals.
Finally, beacuse the fireball was descending from the imapct zone and towards the basment levels one would expect that the doorway opening in the lobby would be the first to be blown out before the fireball reached the basment levels. However according to ALL testimony on the B-1 (rodriguez etc) level the first explosion is heard coming from BELOW.
So in conclusion: if we have eliminated the possibility of the basement damaged being caused by a fireball down the freight elevator shaft, and we can eliminate the possibility of the basment damage being caused by a fireball down the express elevator shaft then the official story has no explanation for the explosion that was heard from BELOW william rodriguez and others. because the official story can not provide a possible explanation it must be rejected.http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=92099&page=6