Oscar Pistorius, das Model, der Valentinstag und das war dann Notwehr

Tussinelda schrieb:in S.A. wird Mord also unterschieden, ob der Mord geplant ist oder nicht. Die Absicht ist da, aber premeditated bedeutet AUCH Planung

.lucy. schrieb:Ich frag mich schon seit Anfang an warum Reeva überhaupt Sachen dabei hatte, obwohl sie nicht vorhatte bei ihm zu übernachten.

War das überhaupt ihre Tasche ?
Oder noch die von der EX ?
War das vielleicht der Streitgrund ?

Tussinelda schrieb:man muss ihm also Absicht und Planung nachweisen, um schedule 6 zu erreichen

Pistorius trial: Nel shakes expert's credibility

http://ewn.co.za/2014/04/16/Oscar-Pistorius-trial-Nel-shakes-Dixons-credibility (Archiv-Version vom 18.04.2014)

Lumina85 schrieb: Ich bin mir nicht sicher wann sie sich dafür entschieden hat, dass sie dort übernachtet. Selbst wenn sie nochmal zu Hause war um ihre Sachen zu holen wäre es doch wichtig zu wissen, ob z.B. ihre Zahnbürste/Gesichtscreme etc. noch im Bad war oder auch bereits eingepackt? Wenn wirklich alles in der Tasche war, dann hat sie evtl. schon gepackt um zu gehen wegen dem Streit....

While Pistorius, 27, has admitted to shooting his model girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp three times in the middle of the night while she was in his bathroom on Valentine’s Day last year, prosecutors may find it hard to prove he had criminal intent, Stephen Tuson, a criminal law professor at Johannesburg’s University of the Witwatersrand, said in a phone interview yesterday. Tuson said this may change depending on what evidence prosecutors have.

“It’s a stretch in my view to prove that this unplanned scenario was premeditated,” Tuson said. “I don’t think any court is going to find that.”


Given Pistorius’s admission of killing Steenkamp, he will probably be found guilty of culpable homicide, Tuson said. While a premeditated murder conviction could carry a life sentence with the earliest parole coming after 25 years, culpable homicide sentences usually range from a warning to a 10-year jail sentence, he said.

When the State said they intended proving “premeditated murder” during Oscar Pistorius’s bail application, some people questioned if such a charge existed in South Africa.

The argument was that for a killing to be murder, it must have an element of premeditation in any case.

The Daily News approached a legal expert to get some clarity on the difference between dolus (intent) and premeditation.

Franaaz Khan, an attorney and a criminal law and commercial law lecturer at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, said that while said South African law does not recognise a charge called “premeditated murder”, the fact that it was premeditated can be used in court as an argument in aggravation of sentence.

“Intention can be formed at the instant of committing the crime and does not imply or necessitate any degree of forethought or planning on the part of the accused.


“Our courts have suggested that one would have to examine all the circumstances surrounding any particular murder, including not least the accused’s state of mind.

“This will allow one to arrive at a conclusion as to whether a particular murder is planned or premeditated,” said Khan.

“Planning and premeditation have long been recognised as aggravating factors in the case of murder, and thus section 51 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act was enacted in an effort to remedy increasing crime rates, increased public dissatisfaction with the criminal justice system and to decrease sentencing disparities,” she said.

Section 51 dictates that a life sentence applies to murder when the offender planned or premeditated the murder.

“Our law suggests that planned criminality is more reprehensible than unplanned, impulsive acts.

“However, there must be evidence that the murder was indeed premeditated or planned,” said Khan.

A judge can also deviate from the prescribed sentence when it is proven that “substantial and compelling circumstances” exist.

She said South African courts have suggested that if a prescribed sentence would result in an injustice, this would amount to a substantial and compelling circumstance and the sentencing court would then regain its discretion to impose an appropriate sentence.

“However, an ‘injustice’ is not lightly inferred and the courts require truly convincing reasons or weighty justification to depart from the prescribed sentences.”

Provincial police spokesman Colonel Vincent Mdunge said in KwaZulu-Natal murders that are premeditated are more prevalent in political killings, love triangles and revenge attacks.

Mdunge gave the example of a person who had stabbed someone more than 20 times.

“If it wasn’t premeditated, the person would have stopped after stabbing the person the first time,” he said.

The State intends arguing that the murder was premeditated, which could increase his sentence should he be found guilty, he said.

hubertzle schrieb:Das sagt ja Nel, ordentlich gepackt, um zu gehen.

hubertzle schrieb:2 für mich kryptische/undurchsichtige Aussagen und Nel hat in hier an einer empfindlichen Stelle erwischt