Ja aber nicht ganz Unrealistisch wenn wir den Konflikt verfolgen.unreal-live schrieb:....mutige Einschätzung
Eigentlich sind es die der USA...clubmaster schrieb:Frage mich gerade wie lange sich Russland diese dreisten Erpressungsversuche aus dem Westen noch bieten lassen will. Das abgekartete Spiel ist ganz offensichtlich, man stößt eine wilde Drohung gegen Russland aus, mit anschließendem Boykott. Das Muster ist allbekannt und typisch.
Das könnte davon abhängen wie die Ukraine-Krise ausgeht. Ich denke es ist davon abhängig wer was wo erreichen will. Ob Russland tatsächlich (nachweisbare) Ambitionen hat seinen Bereich auszudehnen oder ob USA/EU/NATO gerne eine direkte Grenze zu Russland haben und damit auch eine Osterweiterung anstreben. Ich glaube es sind viel dieser Dinge die darüber entscheiden ob etwas geschieht und auch was. Oder siehst Du das anders? ich meine: völlig anders?
They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/july/20/what-the-media-won%E2%80%99t-report-about-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17.aspx (Archiv-Version vom 22.07.2014)
The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.
They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack.
They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta.
What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
nix für Ungut aber die haben seit Jahrzehnten eine direkte Grenze zu Russland
Von Schweigen kann man ja nicht reden. Wie gesagt sagen tut man das das eine und tun ein anderes....Babushka schrieb:Warum schweigen die Medien? Interessiert das in Europa keine Sau?
Der Übergang zwischen Sanktion und Boykott ist fliessend. Die Zuständigkeit Russlands für den MH 17 Vorfall ist reine Unterstellung des Westens, ein logisches Verhalten Russlands wird sofort als Zugeständnis umgedeutet und die Sanktion gibts dann trotzdem obendrauf.
Meine politische Erfahrung sagt mir dass ukrainische Ultranationalisten irgendwann dazu übergehen werden die russische Grenze zu überqueren und im Grenzgebiet schreckliche Verbrechen an der Bevölkerung begehen werden. Die gleichen Leute die bezüglich deutschen Nazis gerne mal die schrecklichsten Szenarien an die Wand malen, versuchen ukrainische Ultras als völlig harmlose Patrioten hinzustellen, das ist besonders schäbig.
Die Ukraine wird eher zur Neutralität verdammt sein.
Das weiss ich, aber ein paar 1000 Km mehr sind aus miitärischer sich nicht zu verachten :)
Es wird in der Grenzregion dauerhaft keine Ruhe mehr geben.
Und eine neutrale Ukraine? Ich würde es begrüssen, so kann niemand einen Vorteil aus der Position der Ukraine ziehen. Ob das für die Ukraine gut sein würde kann ich nicht beurteilen.
(Reuters) - British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday questioned France's plan to sell Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, saying fulfilling such an order would be unthinkable in Britain after the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane in Ukraine.http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/21/ukraine-crisis-sanctions-britain-eu-idINS8N0PQ00I20140721 (Archiv-Version vom 22.07.2014)
When asked about France's plan to press ahead with a 1.2 billion-euro ($1.66 billion) contract to sell the ships to Russia, Cameron said: "Frankly in this country it would be unthinkable to fulfil an order like the one outstanding that the French have.
"But we need to put the pressure on with all our partners to say that we cannot go on doing business as usual with a country when it is behaving in this way." (Reporting by Kylie MacLellan and William James; Writing by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Andrew Osborn)
