PEGIDA

@gewitterhexle
Wenn er sagt hi ich bin Deutscher aus Stuttgart mit griechischen Wurzeln und Staatsbürgerschaft ist er Deutscher. Hat er die Staatsbürgerschaft und sagt scheiß Deutschland ich bin ein Supergrieche und ihr alle nur Dreck, dann nein.

@eckhart

In Anbetracht der Tatsache, dass es in Europa ein Problem mit muslimischem Antisemitismus gibt, sollte es eigentlich auch nicht verwundern, dass gerade beim vergangenen Israel-Palästinenser-Konflikt solche heftigen Parolen gerufen wurden.

Wie dem auch sei, dieser Diskurs bzw. diese Erkenntnis soll nicht dazu dienen, um damit gegen Muslime hetzen zu können. Es ist aber leider eben so vorgekommen. Und natürlich muss das thematisiert werden.

@babykecks
:) immer weniger. Ich finde - leider

@gewitterhexle

was hat das damit zutun ob der eine besser deutsch kann als der andere?

Wenn die Mutter Deutsche ist und der Vater Grieche dann ist die Abstammung Deutsch / Griechisch.

babykecks schrieb:Beantworte endlich meine Frage etwas weiter oben oder lies dir den Link zur süddeutschen durch.

Im Link zur Süddeutschen, der übrigends von @Aldaris und nicht von Dir verlinkt wurde,
steht u.a.:

Für die Zunahme an antiisraelischen Vorfällen machte er vor allem auch Muslime in Deutschland verantwortlich. Er rief muslimische Verbände auf, "den Judenhass zu bekämpfen".

Um Deine Frage zu beantworten:
Eine seriöse Nachricht für mich wäre mindestens eine, die die Frage beantwortet:
"Haben sich die Anschuldigungen des Zentralrates der Juden bewahrheitet ?"
Was haben Ermittlungsergebnisse ergeben ?

@babykecks

Er hat beide Staatsbürgerschaften. Er fühlt sich als *Weltbürger*

@Grenox
Merkst du wie du ausweichst? Das du gar nicht weißt was das sein soll - die Abstammung?

Oder kannst du das definieren
Sind das 3 Generationen oder 10? Seit 1813 im Gebiet von Deutschland - oh das hat sich ja geändert
Was ist es?

@eckhart

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/kundgebung-gegen-antisemitismus-aufstehen-gegen-einen-albtraum-1.2128606

Süddeutsche auch ein Nazi Lügenblatt?

Von Seite 147 mein Beitrag ist in der Mitte.
ja schon klar, aber kann durchaus passieren wenn man nebenher Videos schaut.

eckhart schrieb:Im Link zur Süddeutschen, der übrigends von @Aldaris und nicht von Dir verlinkt wurde,
steht u.a.:

Hab ich?

Aldaris schrieb:Wie dem auch sei, dieser Diskurs bzw. diese Erkenntnis soll nicht dazu dienen, um damit gegen Muslime hetzen zu können. Es ist aber leider eben so vorgekommen. Und natürlich muss das thematisiert werden.

Ja, und um aus Hetze keine Hetze zu machen, muss man Beweise vorlegen können.
Aber keine Selbstjustizbeweise.

Sogar die New York Times berichtet über Pegida.
Die Deutschen marschieren wieder...
Fragt sich nur, wer der neue Hitler wird :D ?

In German City Rich With History and Tragedy, Tide Rises Against Immigration

More refugees are seeking asylum in Germany than in any other country, straining Germans’ tolerance for foreigners and taxing the government’s ability to find housing for them.
Video by Erik Olsen on Publish Date December 7, 2014. Photo by Milan Bures for The New York Times.

DRESDEN, Germany — As it does every Advent, this history-laden city has erected the gift stalls, the glühwein stands and the Ferris wheel of Germany’s oldest Christmas market, around the Frauenkirche, the 18th-century church that was magnificently rebuilt after the Allies’ catastrophic bombing in 1945. But this year, there is tension behind the seasonal jollity.

For the past seven Mondays, people have taken up the battle cry of East Germans protesting their Communist government 25 years ago — “Wir sind das Volk!” (“We are the people!”) — and fashioned it into a lament about being overlooked by political leaders of the present.

Dresden’s demonstrators, echoing the populist fears coursing around Europe, are a motley mix of far right-wingers in the National Democratic Party, or N.P.D., young hooligans and ordinary folk who feel ignored as foreigners pour into Germany — at least 200,000 this year alone — seeking jobs or asylum.
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First hundreds, now thousands have responded to the summons from a previously unknown activist, Lutz Bachmann, 41, and an organization called Pegida, a German acronym for a title that translates roughly as Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West.
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On Monday, a record 7,500 showed up despite teeth-chattering cold, for an hourlong march through Dresden’s center, a mix of grim Socialist architecture and gems of the pre-1945 past. National flags were flown. One placard said, “We miss our country,” while another demanded, “Protection of the Heimat,” or homeland, “not Islamization.”

Carefully kept at shouting distance by the police, several hundred opponents yelled their disagreement. “Refugees are welcome here!” they chanted in English before blocking the Pegida crowd from reaching Dresden’s famed Theater Square, bordered by the beautiful Semperoper opera house and the Zwinger museum, home to one of the finest European art collections.

Despite its rich culture and its present-day prosperity, Dresden is no stranger to right-wingers or hatred of foreigners. But as dissatisfaction simmers throughout Europe over the arrival of migrants, events in this city of 530,000 people have come as a surprise.

“They are clearly Nazis,” said Kathi Wetzel, 50, when asked at her food stall about the demonstrators, though, she added, the marches also swept up “simple hangers-on who don’t really know why they are going along.”

Martin Landseck, 32, pouring beer at another stand, took a far less definite attitude. “Let’s wait and see,” he said, about which side has the better case.

Clearly, Pegida has touched a nerve. In Germany, where the economy is still growing and more people have jobs than ever before, no equivalent has emerged to France’s Marine LePen and her populist National Front, and no leaders have ridden discontent to power like Prime Minister Victor Orban in Hungary.

The Islamization evoked by Pegida is hardly imminent, with only about 2 percent of the population in the Saxony region foreign, and only a fraction of those Muslim.

But right-wingers and soccer hooligans banded together in Cologne this fall and overran police officers in violent protests they said were aimed at Islamic extremism. Dresden is almost the anti-Cologne — determinedly antiviolent and careful in its fliers and patriotic placards to stay on the right side of laws banning hate speech — yet focused on many of the same targets.

In Pegida, “Obviously, we are dealing with a mixed group — known figures from the N.P.D., soccer hooligans, but also a sizable number of ordinary burghers,” said Frank Richter, director of Saxony’s state office for political education. He and other East Germans who marched against the Communist government in 1989 cringe at the new demonstrators’ appropriation of the old rallying call. “But they obviously feel they have not been understood.”

Some see Dresden’s xenophobia rooted in its Communist past. Before unification, the region was known as “the valley of the clueless,” because it was the only major urban area in East Germany which could not receive West German television.

And while the rest of Germany was absorbing Turks and other immigrants for decades, the East was largely isolated from foreigners.
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Lutz Bachmann, head of Pegida, an anti-immigration group, speaking to supporters in Dresden, Germany. Credit Milan Bures for The New York Times

Werner Patzelt, a politics professor at Dresden’s Technical University, noted that “in the past 25 years, East German society underwent a huge process of transformation. People now feel that things are halfway back in order: the new system works, our towns look O.K. and we have jobs — and now there comes a whole new change and no one asked us.”

Since reunification in 1990, the N.P.D. has often won seats in the state legislature. While the N.P.D. fell short of the 5 percent hurdle to gain seats in the state legislature last fall, a new populist party, the Alternative for Germany, garnered almost 10 percent of the vote.

Suspicion of Islam is not unique to eastern Germany, but it is potent, driven like elsewhere on the continent by the swelling of the Muslim population, the alarming flow of European Muslims to Syria or Iraq to wage jihad, and the growing fears that those jihadists might return to inflict harm on their adopted homelands.

An announcement in the fall that 14 new facilities would open in Saxony for some 2,000 refugees — two this year, the others in 2015 and 2016 — may have been the final straw. At Monday’s demonstration, four men in their 60s were unanimous about the danger. “Just look at the Ruhr,” said one, alluding to industrial cities of western Germany, where migrant ghettos are ever more common. “We don’t want that here.”

“Or Berlin,” said a second. “We don’t want to have to put barbed wire on our balconies,” he said, insisting this was common in the capital to keep foreign burglars at bay. (It is not.)

Many of the demonstrators refused to identify themselves or be interviewed. But Mr. Bachmann, their leader, eagerly shook hands with a reporter before the march, and insisted that his group is not against refugees from war zones, Islam or foreigners per se.

“What we don’t like here” are economic refugees mooching on the German system, he said. “Politicians in Germany, they did the whole thing wrong, basically wrong.”

The local Sächsische Zeitung newspaper recently reported that Mr. Bachmann had several criminal convictions — 16 burglaries, driving drunk or without a license and even dealing in cocaine. The report also noted that it was hard to pin down where and how Mr. Bachmann had lived, though it found that, among other things, he had done publicity for nightclubs.

News of his record jars with his accusations that arriving foreigners spread crime, but Mr. Bachmann waved it off as a distraction. Yes, he told the crowd. “I, too, have a previous life,” he said, adding, “If it is better for our cause, I am ready to step out of the unwanted spotlight.”

Nevertheless, he said, he was worried about foreigners who took advantage of Germany’s welfare system, while “some old people can’t afford a slice of Christmas cake.” Pretty soon, he predicted to applause, deformation of the German language would deprive Germans of Christian terms like “Christmas tree.”

At the market, Erika Gemende, 74, chatting to a grandson as she sold Christmas sweets, tried to make sense of the Pegida movement.

“I will help anyone who is fleeing from war; if they need some of my old things, they can have them,” she said. “But we have to see who gets what.”

In this town, she noted, memory plays a part. “My mother, she was all alone, with the four of us children” after her father was killed in the war, Ms. Gemende said. “No one helped her.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/world/in-german-city-rich-with-history-and-tragedy-tide-rises-against-immigration.html?_r=0

@eckhart

Vielleicht reicht das für den Anfang.

https://classlessandfree.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/linksjugend-bereitet-antisemitismus-islamismus-und-nationalismus-den-boden/
http://www.die-linke.de/nc/presse/presseerklaerungen/detail/zurueck/presseerklaerungen/artikel/es-ist-beschaemend/ (Archiv-Version vom 30.08.2014)

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/gaza-demo-in-berlin-american-jewish-committee-stellt-strafanzeige-wegen-volksverhetzung/10224356.html

Aldaris schrieb:Hab ich?

Wars nicht im anderen Thread?
Ich bin jedenfalls dem Link nach Antisemitische Aufmärsche und aufkeimender Antisemitismus in Europa gefolgt.

Dass Antisemitismus international verbreitet ist, keine Frage.

@gewitterhexle
Weltbürger, klingt interessant ;)

@eckhart
Ändert nichts an der Tatsache das ich hier zur süddeutschen verlinkt hab.

TunFairevor 9 Minuten
@Grenox
Merkst du wie du ausweichst? Das du gar nicht weißt was das sein soll - die Abstammung?

Oder kannst du das definieren
Sind das 3 Generationen oder 10? Seit 1813 im Gebiet von Deutschland - oh das hat sich ja geändert
Was ist es?

@Grenox
Kannst du mir das noch beantworten?mein Smart ist bald ohne Saft :D

@babykecks

Sollte das nicht das wirkliche Ziel sein? Niemand ist nirgends Ausländer

@TunFaire

Es gibt in D Strom................

Masterblunt schrieb:Fragt sich nur, wer der neue Hitler wird :D ?

Einer, der es versteht, die "Entartungen der Demokratie" zu beseitigen womöglich...

@Mittelscheitel

Ich hoffe das wir nie wieder so jemandem die Macht geben.