JFK - Attentataufdeckung
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Falco1996 schrieb:Was? Ich habe eben selbst danach gegoogelt man sieht dort Blut und Hirnmasse, was soll da gereinigt worden sein?Das musst du jene Agenten fragen, die mit Eimerchen und Lappen am Werk waren.
interrobang schrieb:Kannst du auch sagen welche spuren sie weggewaschen haben sollen?Bitte nicht wieder in den Trollmodus wechseln.
Mack says that while the car was parked outside Parkland Hospital, something strange happened. There were odd reports by some hospital staff of a man in a suit inside the emergency area who asked for a bucket of water and some towels. (Here is another one.) “And the implication was that they were going to clean out the car — clean out the crime scene,” he says. The mysterious man was never identified, but Mack says "a bucket was photographed at the left rear door of the limo before being carried toward the emergency entrance." And yet, photographs of the car’s backseat taken by the FBI after the car was flown back to Washington, D.C. reveal it does not appear to have been cleaned. Perhaps only the driver’s area was wiped down?Fakt ist, dass es schon unmittelbar nach Ankunft im Parkland Hospital Reinigungsarbeiten gab.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2013/05/07/missing-radio-tapes-an-alleged-cleanup-j-f-k-limousine-part-of-assassination-conspiracy-lore
Falco1996 schrieb:Hier bitte, guckt es euch an.Wir kennen diese Fotos.
Falco1996 schrieb:Warum sollten sie das Auto halb reinigen und dann ein Foto schießen?warum nicht? es ging nicht vielleicht unbedingt darum Spuren auszulöschen, sondern nur zu verwischen
Falco1996 schrieb:Warum sollten sie das Auto halb reinigen und dann ein Foto schießen?Aus demselben Grund, warum man bei einem Foto, wo man die Hinterkopfwunde verstecken will, nicht den ganzen Kopf überklebt sondern nur die Stelle, um die es geht:
As discussed in detail in Chapter 7, Secret Service agent Elmer Moore unburdened himself to University of Washington graduate student James Gochenaur in May of 1970, and in doing so revealed that many of the Secret Service agents sworn to protect President Kennedy had strong feelings of disloyalty toward him because they disagreed with, and were frightened by, his foreign policy initiatives. (Moore was not only the Secret Service agent who briefed the Parkland treating physicians in December of 1963 about the results published in the Bethesda autopsy report, and who ‘leaned on’ Dr. Malcolm Perry prior to that (in late November of 1963) to get him to stop describing the wound seen in the President’s throat as an entry wound, but he also interviewed Jack Ruby in jail in December of 1963, and furthermore, Arlen Specter revealed at Cyril Wecht’s conference in Pittsburgh in 2003 that Elmer Moore was also the agent who surreptitiously showed him an alleged autopsy photo of JFK’s back wound during the Warren Commission’s re-enactment of the assassination in Dallas, in the late Spring of 1964.38) Moore began his law enforcement career in 1939 and then served briefly with the Coast Guard before joining the Secret Service in 1942. Most members of the Secret Service, like Elmer Moore, either held local law enforcement jobs before joining the Secret Service, or were prior-enlisted members of the Armed Forces.http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/14992-doug-horne/&page=24#comment-185055
James Gochenaur provided information on Secret Service agent Elmer Moore to the Church Committee—specifically to Subcommittee Chair Senator Richard Schweiker—in the summer of 1975, and submitted to a tape recorded interview with HSCA staff member Howard Gilbert on May 10, 1977, from which a transcript was produced by the HSCA staff. The relevant portions of that long HSCA telephone interview relevant to Secret Service attitudes about President Kennedy’s foreign policy are reproduced below:
Gilbert: OK. Now, what did your conversations with him [Moore] pertain to?
Gochenaur: Ah, basically, him venting his anger at Kennedy, and ah—
Gilbert: What was the anger based on? Did he say?
Gochenaur: Well, he said he was a traitor. [author’s emphasis]
Gilbert: He said Kennedy was a traitor?
Gochenaur: Yeah.
Gilbert: This is what Elmer Moore said?
Gochenaur: Right.
Gilbert: Now, why [did] he say—how did he explain that? What did he mean?
Gochenaur: Well, he prefaced it by saying that, ah, well, he said, you know, no matter how
strange things get here, we’ve got it better than they do. But he was giving everything
away to them. That’s what he was saying. [author’s emphasis]
Gilbert: He was saying Kennedy was giving things away?
Gochenaur: Yeah, to the Russians. OK? [author’s emphasis]
Gilbert: All right.
Gochenaur: And, ah, he said, ah, he says: “It’s a shame that people have to die, but you know, maybe it was a good thing. A lot of people thought he was a traitor and sometimes I think that, too.” [emphasis added]
Gochenaur then went on to recount how Moore had then confessed to badgering Dr. Perry into silence about the entry wound in President Kennedy’s neck, and had admitted that the Secret Service agents investigating JFK’s assassination had been told they had to investigate the case in accordance with instructions, or they would “get their heads cut off.” Moore denied all of this to the Church Committee in August of 1975, but significantly, did admit to meeting with Gochenaur three or four times, to purchase surveillance photographs of protestors. Clearly, the two men did have a relationship in 1970 which might have been conducive to Moore unburdening himself. I have always found Gochenaur’s story persuasive, and credible.
Rick_Blaine schrieb:Ich hoffe, ich habe nun alle Zweifel beseitigt.Nöö, leider hilft uns deine Antwort kein Stück weiter, da bereits VOR deinem ersten post, die OTler Fraktion eingeräumt hat, dass die Fragen leicht manipulativ sind.
Rick_Blaine schrieb:Als Rechtsanwalt weiss man natürlich genau, wie man solche Fragen stellt,Wenn ich weiß, dass Psychologen bzw. Hirnforscher (die sich mit dem Thema Erinnerungen/Zeugenaussagen beschäftigen) beklagen, dass selbst heute 2017 die Strafverfolgungsbehörden in weiten Bereichen nicht in der Lage sind, korrekte unmanipulative Befragungen durchzuführen, ist die Kernfrage "Hat Spector den Zeugen bewusst manipulieren wollen, oder war er nur nicht auf dem heutigen Stand der Forschung (von 2017 wohlgemerkt)?" nach wie vor unbeantwortet.
noway schrieb:und es dann trotzdem zu einer erneuten Fragestellung mit A oder B als vorgegebene Lösung kam,1) Die Frage war nicht: "Lag da A oder B?"
Groucho schrieb:Frage 1 lässt nur die Antworten A oder B zuWarum?
Lambach schrieb:Der Befragte könnte auf die Frage ""Lag da A oder B?" auch antworten:ja, er könnte auch antworten:
"Nein"
"Weder noch."
"Ja."
"A und B."
"Möglich."
Lambach schrieb:Das Suggestive hat also nichts mit Konjunktiv/Indikativ zu tun, sondern damit, daß du Aussageinhalte vorgibst.Eben, es geht darum, was die Frage vorgibt.
Lambach schrieb:Die Aktion hat einen mehr als schalen Beigeschmack, vor allem, wenn man bedenkt, daß sie Kugeln entfernt haben könnten.Nach heutigen Maßstäben ist das sicher ein no-go.