JFK - Attentataufdeckung

EC145 schrieb:Ist Specter nicht derjenige der auch die Magic Bullet erfunden hat ? 

Aniara schrieb:Die Befragten waren sich halt nicht zu 100% sicher.

Aniara schrieb:1964 haben Wright und Tomlinson ausgesagt, dass es sich bei der gefundenen Kugel, um dieselbe handeln könnte, die auf dem stretcher gefunden wurde. Sie waren sich halt nur nicht zu 100 % sicher.

Chain of evidence

Some critics have questioned the circumstances surrounding the bullet's discovery at Parkland Hospital. In a 1966 interview with author Josiah Thompson, one of the men who found the bullet, Parkland personnel director O.P. Wright, cast doubt on whether the bullet subsequently entered into evidence as CE 399 was the same bullet he held in his hand that day. Wright told Thompson that the bullet they found was point nosed, whereas CE 399 is round nosed.[114] However, in 1964, both Wright and Darrel Tomlinson, a maintenance employee at Parkland who passed the bullet along to Wright, were shown the bullet and said the bullet in evidence appeared to be the same one as the bullet found on the stretcher, though neither could positively identify the bullet as the same one.

Lambach schrieb:Abgesehen davon daß Wikipedia hier falsche Angaben macht

Aniara schrieb:Nur zu, jeder darf Wikipedia ändern, auch du.

Aniara schrieb:Puh, das ist mir jetzt zu weit weg von dem Thema, was ich hier eigentlich klären wollte und was ja auch mittlerweile längst geklärt wurde, leicht suggestive Fragen etc.

Lambach schrieb:Da sitzen die OTler wie die Glucken drauf, daß nur ja nicht allzuviel "interessante" Information in die Artikel fließen.

Lambach schrieb:Auf welches Posting beziehst du dich nun - auf das von sunlay?

Lambach schrieb:Ich hab dir doch das Interview mit Tomlinson schon ca. eine Million Mal verlinkt. Und dir auch die Stelle gezeigt:

Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, today or any other day, I'm just not sure of it, whether it was A or B that I took off.

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One of the best kept secrets of the Commission was that all of its members were not on board with the Single Bullet Theory. In fact, as we know today, there was at least one member who was not ready to sign off on the report unless certain objections were in the record. The man who made these objections was Sen. Richard Russell. Sen. John S. Cooper and Rep. Hale Boggs quietly supported him behind the scenes. These three not only had problems with ballistics evidence, they also questioned the FBI version of just who Lee and Marina Oswald actually were. Russell was so disenchanted with the proceedings that he actually wrote a letter of resignation-which he did not send-and he commissioned his own private inquiry. (Reclaiming Parkland, p. 258) Realizing that Russell was going to demand certain objections be entered into the record at the final meeting, Rankin and Warren did something extraordinarily deceitful. They stage-managed a presentation that featured a female secretary there; but she was not from the official stenography company, Ward and Paul. (McKnight, p. 294) She was, in essence, an actress. Therefore, there is no actual transcript of this meeting where Russell voiced his reservations. This fact was kept from Russell until 1968. Then researcher Harold Weisberg discovered it. When he alerted Russell to this internal trickery, the senator became the first commissioner to openly break ranks with his cohorts and question what they had done. (ibid, pgs. 296-97) Russell was later joined by Boggs and Cooper. Hale Boggs was quite vocal about the cover-up instituted by Hoover. He said that "Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission." (Reclaiming Parkland, p. 259)

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Bevor Spector Tomlinson befragt hat, haben ihn schon Sercret Service und FBI befragt. Schon in der ersten Befragung hat Tomlinson - laut eigener Aussage - gesagt, dass er sich nicht sicher ist, ob er stretcher A oder stretcher B aus dem Fahrstuhl geholt hat.

32. Arlen Specter did not show Darrell Tomlinson CE 399.

As we showed in Plaque 2, O. P. Wright's name is not in the Warren Report. But Arlen Specter did question Darrell Tomlinson. He was the hospital employee who recovered CE 399 and gave it to Wright. In the reports of the questioning of Tomlinson, and in his Warren Commission testimony, there is no evidence that Specter ever showed Tomlinson CE 399.IWC Vol. 6, pgs. 128-34) To say this is highly irregular is soft-pedaling it. Wright and Tomlinson are the two men who recovered CE 399 and started it on its journey to the Secret Service and then the FBI lab that night. To not ask the two men who began the chain of possession; in fact, to totally ignore one of them; to certify their exhibit is more than stunning. It invites suspicion. The next point illustrates why.

33. The Warren Commission accepted a lie by Hoover on the validity of CE 399.

This was a mistake of the first order. Because it was later discovered that the FBI fabricated evidence to cover up the falsification of CE 399. As Gary Aguilar and Josiah Thompson later discovered, the man who the FBI said got identifications of CE 399 from Wright and Tomlinson was agent Bardwell Odum. According to Commission Exhibit 2011, when Odum showed the bullet to these two hospital employees, their reply was it "appears to be the same one" but they could not "positively identify it." (The Assassinations, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease, p. 282) That in itself was a nebulous reply to an important question. But it turned out that it concealed something even worse. For when Aguilar and Thompson visited Odum and asked him about this identification, he denied it ever happened. He said he never showed any bullet to any hospital employees concerning the Kennedy assassination. And if he did he would have recalled it. Because he knew Wright and he also would have filed his own report on it. Which he did not. (ibid, p. 284)

Groucho schrieb:Bevor Spector Tomlinson befragt hat, haben ihn schon Sercret Service und FBI befragt.
Schon in der ersten Befragung hat Tomlinson - laut eigener Aussage - gesagt, dass er sich nicht sicher ist, ob er stretcher A oder stretcher B aus dem Fahrstuhl geholt hat.

Mr. SPECTER. Was there any other stretcher placed on that elevator later that day?
Mr. JIMISON. Not during my shift.

Mr. SPECTER. What time did you get off that day?
Mr. JIMISON. 3:30.
Mr. SPECTER. And you say there was no other stretcher placed on that elevator from the time you put Governor Connally's stretcher on until the end of the day ?
Mr. JIMISON. Until the end of my shift. You see, that's the emergency---- from the emergency that we had from that time that he was brought up until I was relieved from duty that afternoon.

• hypodermic needles
• alcohol sponges
• a roll of 1-inchtape

Mr. SPECTER - Now, what did you do with the stretcher after Governor Connally was taken off of it?
Miss WESTER - I moved the stretcher back to the center area, fairly close to the clock, it Wasn't right under it, but fairly close, and an orderly, R. J. Jimison, walked up---
Mr. SPECTER - His initials are R. J.?
Miss WESTER - And he stood at the cart while I rolled the sheets up and removed the items from the cart, and from there he took the cart and proceeded to the elevator with it and the last time I saw him he was standing at the elevator with the cart waiting for him to be picked up.

Mr. SPECTER. What was on the stretcher at that time?
Mr. JIMISON. I noticed nothing more than a little fiat mattress and two sheets as usual.

Mr. SPECTER. What was on the stretcher at that time?
Mr. JIMISON. I noticed nothing more than a little fiat mattress and two sheets as usual.

Mr. SPECTER. And describe the appearance of that stretcher, if you will, please.
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that stretcher had sheets on it and had a white covering on the pad.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you say about the covering on the pad, excuse me?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe it was a white sheet that was on the pad.
Mr. SPECTER. And was there anything else on that?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I don't believe there was on that one, I'm not sure, but I don't believe there was.

Mr. SPECTER. And what was on "B", if you recall; if anything?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, at one end they had one or two sheets rolled up; I didn't examine them. They were bloody. They were rolled up on the east end of it and there were a few surgical instruments on, the opposite end and a sterile pack or so.
Mr. SPECTER. A sterile what?
Mr. TOMLINSON. A sterile pack.
Mr. SPECTER. What do you mean by that?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Like gauze or something like that.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there an alcohol sponge?
Mr. TOMLINSON. There could have been.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there a roll of 1-inch tape?

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