Oscar Pistorius, das Model, der Valentinstag und das war dann Notwehr
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So, according to the defense version, the shots would have been the first 'bangs' heard, approximately 3:00 to 3:04 am, and the bat would have been the second set of bangs, heard around 3:17?Das sind jetzt zwar nicht die vorher an anderer Stelle errechneten 19 Minuten, aber immerhin nahe dran.
So if OP shot RS at 3:00-3:04 am, what did he do in those precious 13-17 minutes, before calling for medical help ? Were those things more important than getting an ambulance to the home?
If we believe the ear witnesses, he screamed and cried and fussed for much of that time.
obskur schrieb:Die Zusammenfassung ist gut... die müsste man oben antackern können ;)Viele Zeiten wurden bei juror 13 entnommen:
About the first sounds:
Mr. Baba said a guard reported gunshots shortly after three.
Mrs. Stipp woke at 03:02 (but said her clock was 3-4 minutes fast) and heard shots shortly afterwards.
Mrs. van der Merwe said she heard 4 shots at about three.
About Dr. Stipp:
He waited for Baba to come to his house and pointed out OP's house to Baba.
He drove to security to find out if it was safe before he went to to OP's house.
Mrs. Stipp said she was coming inside and looked at the clock when she heard the second set of sounds. This was about 03:17.http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/...s-trial-day-4/http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/...-day-5-part-1/http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/...-day-5-part-2/http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/...s-trial-day-6/http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/...-trial-day-14/
KlaraFall schrieb:So, according to the defense version, the shots would have been the first 'bangs' heard, approximately 3:00 to 3:04 am, and the bat would have been the second set of bangs, heard around 3:17?Okay ... aber so genau weiss man nun ja nicht ob es Batbangs oder Shotbangs waren..hm..
Tussinelda schrieb:und wo bitte sagt O.P. das er exakt um 3:12 seine Waffe abfeuerte? Das habe ich nirgends gehört.Exakt 3:12 hat er nicht gesagt. Roux hat aber letzte Woche erwähnt, dass in ihrer Version die Schüsse ca. 5min vor den Schlägen waren, die ja nach Zeugenaussagen auf 3:17 festgelegt werden.
Luminarah schrieb:Wenn er also um 3.04 Reeva umlegte ,da hat er dann etwa dreizehn Minuten gebraucht um anzufangen mit dem Schläger die Tür zu bearbeitenDas frag ich mich schon lange....
Nach der Timeline???
yeah,but the witnesses who just heard one set of 'gunshots' heard the screams before the 'gunshots.'
This means by definition that they are hearing Stipp's second set of 'gunshots,' regardless of what time they are giving.
Hope that made sense.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241248&page=44
Oscar’s ‘involuntary action’: Thin ice, Mr Pistorius
Gerrie Nel this week accused Oscar Pistorius of changing his legal defence from “putative self-defence” to one of “involuntary action”. This was because Pistorius seemed to suggest that he could not remember pulling the trigger of his gun and pumping four shots into his toilet door. Instead he suggested that the discharge of his firearm was an accident or, at the very least, that his conduct was not under the control of his mind. By PIERRE DE VOS.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241248&page=44
KlaraFall schrieb:but the witnesses who just heard one set of 'gunshots' heard the screams before the 'gunshots.'bedeutet die letzten "Schläge" waren eigentlich Schüsse, oder?
This means by definition that they are hearing Stipp's second set of 'gunshots,' regardless of what time they are giving.