@Fierna Fierna schrieb:Findest du das nicht ein wenig überzogen im Vergleich mit einem Muslim, der die Menschenrechte und demokratische Grundordnung anerkennt?
Die Muslime die hier leben (und ein von Menschen gemachtes Gesetz dem von Allah vorziehen), werden wie bereits gesagt von den "anderen" Muslimen nicht als "richtige" Muslime angesehen.
Anti-ISIS:
Ich sehe das eher als eine PR-Aktion.
http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/ (Archiv-Version vom 28.03.2015)Die "Executive Summary" auf dieser Seite klingt erstmal ganz gut,
bis wir uns Punkt 6 genauer anschauen:
6. The Killing of Innocents: God ﷻ says in the Qur’an: ‘And do not slay the soul [whose life] God has made inviolable, except with due cause … ’ (Al-Isra’ , 17: 33); and ‘Say: “Come, I will recite that which your Lord has made a sacred duty for you: that you associate nothing with Him, that you be dutiful to parents, and that you do not slay your children, because of poverty – We will provide for you and them – and that you do not draw near any acts of lewdness, whether it be manifest or concealed, and that you do not slay the life which God has made sacred, except rightfully. This is what He has charged you with that perhaps you will understand.” ’ (Al-An’am , 6: 151). The slaying of a soul—any soul—is haraam (forbidden and inviolable under Islamic Law), it is also one of the most abominable sins (mubiqat ). God ﷻ says in the Qur’an: ‘Because of that, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoever slays a soul for other than a soul, or for corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers have already come to them with clear proofs, but after that many of them still commit excesses in the land .’ (Al-Ma’idah , 5: 32). You have killed many innocents who were neither combatants nor armed, just because they disagree with your opinions[13] .
http://quran.com/17/33 sagt aus, dass es legitime Gründe für eine Tötung gibt. Diese sind im Islam:
1.) Bewusster Mord eines Muslimen
2.) Fasad fil-ardh ("spreading mischief in the land"), wozu
- Verrat am Islam (Wenn jemand die Fronten wechselt und gegen den Islam kämpft)
- Apostasie
(- Terrorismus in der Sharia)
(- Piraterie in der Sharia)
- Vergewaltigung
- Unzucht
- Homosexualität
Die Strafe kann durch ein Gericht von Fall zu Fall auch unterschiedliche ausgelegt werden (z.B. als Geld oder Haft) und muss nicht die Todesstrafe sein. Die Todesstrafe kann durch: Köpfung, Erhängung, Steinigung und Erschießung erfolgen.
Man sieht hier aber ganz deutlich, dass der Islam weit von unserer demokratischen Freiheit und der Gerechtigkeit und der "harmonischen" Gleichbehandlung entfernt ist (z.B. Religionsfreiheit).
Zum letzten Satz aus dem Zitat: "You have killed many innocents who were neither combatants nor armed, just because they disagree with your opinions".
ISIS sieht die anderen Muslime als Apostaten bzw. Heuchler, weil Sie nicht den "wahren" Islam befolgen. (
http://quran.com/4/140 setzt Hypocrites und Disbeliever auf einen Level.)
Wie würde die Distanzierung zur ISIS aussehen, wenn Sie ernst gemeint wäre?
Das Zauberwort lautet: takfir, da jedoch die ISIS sich selbst als Muslime bezeichnen trauen sich wohl nicht die Muslime als ganzes die ISIS auszustoßen.
@dasewige Hier nochmal zur Bedeutung des Feuers des bereits geposteten Hadidths:
http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/117-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2084.%20Dealing%20with%20Apostates/6557-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-084-hadith-number-057.htmlNarrated By 'Ikrima : Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
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@Fierna Zum ersten Video: Hör Dir nochmal genau das an, was gesagt wurde.
1.) ISIS does not represent Islam or any muslim
- einige schon, nämlich die Anhänger der Isis
2.) because it is totally unislamic
- was genau am verhalten der ISIS ist unislamsich oder unvereinbar mit dem Islam?
3.) because it killing innocent people
- die ISIS erklärt ganz genau, aus welchen Gründen sie jemanden töten (=schuldige).
4.) because you are unjust
5.) we must all unite together and try to stop this group from damaging islam and damaging muslims
- Sollte nicht das Wohl der Menschen im Allgemeinen im Vordergrund stehen?
6.) because your leader is a liar
- Letzter Punkt auf:
Wikipedia: The Great DeceiverAllah, the god of Islam is called "The Great Deceiver" in the passage Surah 3:54 is given below in Arabic -Notice Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid.
7.) because your actions do not represent the actions of the rightly guided companions
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http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85-/3829-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-052-hadith-number-065.htmlNarated By Abu Musa : A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."
8.) because your califat doesn't represent the umma
- die eigene schon, sonst hätten sie keine Anhänger.
9.) because what your doing is inhumane
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http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/144-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2016.%20The%20Oath,%20Establishing%20Responsibilities%20Of%20Murders,%20Fighting,%20Requital/12500-sahih-muslim-book-016-hadith-number-4130.html (Archiv-Version vom 20.10.2013)Chapter : Pertaining to the combatants and apostates.
Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right. They then fell upon the shepherds and killed them and turned apostates from Islam and drove off the camels of the Prophet (may peace be upon him). This news reached Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he sent (people) on their track and they were (brought) and handed over to him. He (the Holy Prophet) got their hands cut off, and their feet, and put out their eyes, and threw them on the stony ground until they died.
10.) because you have no compassion
quran.com/47/35
So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds.
11.) because my religion promotes tolerance for woman and you have no respect for woman.
http://quran.com/4/24Muhsin Khan
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.