Shionoro schrieb:und wirst dann bockig wenn man es dir widerlegt.
Gehen wir die Sache mal kurz durch, da dir daran ja offenbar so viel gelegen ist. Ich schrieb:
Realo schrieb:Walnusbaer schrieb:
Ehrenmorde z.B. sind exklusiv gekoppelt an den Islam
Hier heißt es Eifersuchtsmorde bzw. "Eifersuchtsdramen", sind gekoppelt an was?
Analysieren wir also nach (1) Religion, (2) Definition
(zu 1):Derart motivierte Morde sind in archaischen, von Stammestraditionen bestimmten Gesellschaften im Nahen und Mittleren Osten am häufigsten zu finden. Obwohl sie einer vorislamischen Tradition entstammen, treten sie in islamischen Staaten, besonders in solchen mit Scharia-Gesetzgebung im Nahen und Mittleren Osten sowie Pakistan vermehrt auf, lassen sich aber ebenfalls in nicht-muslimischen Regionen in Indien oder Lateinamerika nachweisen. Wikipedia: Ehrenmord
Sie sind also nicht islamspezifisch odert gar, wie der User @walnussbaer
behauptet, "exklusiv gekoppelt an den Islam", denn ihr Ursprung ist vorislamisch und sie werden auch von nicht-Muslimen begangen.
Noch eindeutiger wird die englische Wiki:Religion
Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions".
Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:
"The Assembly notes that whilst so-called 'honour crimes' emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honour-related misconduct)."
Many Muslim commentators, and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice. Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, says that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings. Khan instead blames them on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings. Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that the punishment of any crime is only reserved for the Islamic ruler. Ali Gomaa, Egypt's ex-Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.
Matthew A. Goldstein, J.D. (Arizona), has noted that honor killings were encouraged in ancient Rome, where male family members who did not take action against the female adulterers in their families were "actively persecuted".
The origin of honor killings and the control of women is evidenced throughout history in the cultures and traditions of many regions. The Roman law of pater familias gave complete control to the men of the family over both their children and wives. Under these laws, the lives of children and wives were at the discretion of the men in their families. Ancient Roman Law also justified honor killings by stating that women who were found guilty of adultery could be killed by their husbands. During the Qing dynasty in China, fathers and husbands had the right to kill daughters who were deemed to have dishonored the family.
Among the Amerindian Aztecs and Incas, adultery was punishable by death. During John Calvin’s rule of Geneva, women found guilty of adultery were punished by being drowned in the Rhone river.
Honor killings have a long tradition in Mediterranean Europe. According to the Honour Related Violence – European Resource Book and Good Practice (page 234): "Honor in the Mediterranean world is a code of conduct, a way of life and an ideal of the social order, which defines the lives, the customs and the values of many of the peoples in the Mediterranean moral".Wikipedia: Honor_killing#Religion
"Ehrenmorde" sind sehr wohl mit "Eifersuchtsmorden" vergleichbar und teilweise auch ununterscheidbar miteinander verknüpft.Honor killings are, along with dowry killings (mostly in South Asia), gang-related killings of women as revenge (killings of female members of rival gang members' families – primarily, but not only, in Latin America) and witchcraft accusation killings (Africa, Oceania) some of the most recognized forms of gender based killings.
Human rights advocates have compared "honor killings" to "crimes of passion" in Latin America (which are sometimes treated extremely leniently) and also to the killing of women for lack of dowry in India.
Some commentators have stressed that the focus on honor killings should not lead to ignoring other forms of gender-based killings of women, in particular those from Latin America ('crimes of passion' and gang related killings); the murder rate of women in this region being extremely high, with El Salvador being reported as the country with the highest murder rate of women in the world. In 2002, Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, stated that "crimes of passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable".[1
Was "Passion" bedeutet, muss ich wohl nicht näher erläutern. Leidenschaft ist bei Morden eben am am engsten verknüpft mit ... Eifersucht. (Wenn die Auserwählte mit dem bösen Rivalen pennt.)
Das war meine erste und letzte ausführliche Stellungnahme zum Thema Ehren-/Eifersuchtsmorde und Forum-Besserwisser.