Israel - wohin führt der Weg?

UffTaTa schrieb:n. Trotzdem hat er den gleichen Ruf weg wie Netanyahu auch und geht auch so in die Geschichte

Das denke ich nicht Tim, das Netanjahu mit Stalin gleichgesetzt wird

Wie Stalin sicher nicht, aber sein Name wird doch irgendwann im selben Atemzug wie der von Milosevic, Kissinger oder Galtieri genannt werden.

Rasalhague schrieb:Galtieri

Militärdiktator der in nem Eroberungskrieg scheiterte?.
Ne.

Rasalhague schrieb:Milosevic

Ein Genozidler?.
Nein.

UffTaTa schrieb:Das ist so wie mit Stalin. Der wurde auch nie verurteilt und wird auch nie verurteilt werden. Trotzdem hat er den gleichen Ruf weg wie Netanyahu auch und geht auch so in die Geschichte ein.

Komplett wild.

Rasalhague schrieb:Kissinger

Wenn er mit einem geopolitischen Planer in Verbindung gebracht werden würde, das wiederum wäre schon eine Aufwertung.
Ich denke aber nicht dass er dies erreichen kann.

juvenilea schrieb:Die bauen eher auf Saudi Arabien und VAE.

Naja, Saudi Arabien und VAE unterstützen halt wie immer Terror... der Unterschied zwischen den Konflikten ist. Das man meinen sollte mit Israel ist in diesem hier eine vernünftige Partei....

UffTaTa schrieb:Stimmt. Das ist so wie mit Stalin. Der wurde auch nie verurteilt und wird auch nie verurteilt werden. Trotzdem hat er den gleichen Ruf weg wie Netanyahu auch und geht auch so in die Geschichte ein.

Ooook ... Netanjahu ist also wie Stalin.
Wikipedia: Stalinsche Säuberungen
Wieso nimmst du nicht gleich Hitler als Vergleich? Und blamierst dich noch ein bißchen mehr? Keine Ahnung vom Sowjetkommunismus, keine Ahnung, wie man einen Mord definiert und was diesen von Kriegsopfern unterscheidet. Wir warten immer noch auf Belege, wie Israel gezielt und mit Absicht Kinder tötet.
Übrigens sind in Gaza ca. 70 % aller Häuser zerstört wurden. Gazas Bevölkerung liegt bei etwa 2 Millionen. Hätte dann nicht eigentlich 70 % der Bewohner sterben müssen, wenn diese gezielt "ermordet" werden sollte? Also 1,4 Millionen Tote? Das besagt nicht mal die wildeste Schätzung des Hamas-Gesundheitsministeriums (das bekanntlich zwischen Kombattanten und Zivilisten nicht unterscheidet).

Nun ja, in Ufftatas Gehirnkasten "denkt es" eben, er kann nichts dafür. Aber ich gehe eh davon aus, dass der Krieg bald weitergeht. Zweite Runde sozusagen, denn die Hamas will ihren Propagandasieg weiter auskosten. Für die Muslimbrüder wäre es perfekt, wenn noch mehr Palästinenser sterben. Sie werden bestimmt Wege finden, Israel zu erneutem und noch härterem Vorgehen zu bewegen.

Rasalhague schrieb:Kissinger

Oh der große Kissinger war ein Kriegsverbrecher?

Fedaykin schrieb:Oh der große Kissinger war ein Kriegsverbrecher?

So wie es aussieht :shrug:
Weiß der Himmel wieso.

blorgempire schrieb:Wieso nimmst du nicht gleich Hitler als Vergleich?

Das würde der langen Reihe der weirden Nazivergleiche allerdings die Krone aufsetzen.

Peinlich, peinlich.

xsaibotx schrieb:

Fedaykin schrieb:Oh der große Kissinger war ein Kriegsverbrecher?

So wie es aussieht :shrug:
Weiß der Himmel wieso.

Den Himmel brauchst du da nicht fragen, die Chilenen zu fragen reicht. Und diverse andere Nationen auch.

https://amerika21.de/2023/12/267042/chile-erinnert-kissinger

aber wie Kissinger so hat auch Netanyahu seine Fans. So wie bei Stalin auch.

Und mit Stalin hat Netanyahu ja zumindest ne Hungernot, Besatzung und Krieg gegen Zivilisten gemeinsam.

blorgempire schrieb:Zeugnisse ihrer Taten geliefert

Beim Hamas Massaker vom 7. Oktober gibts mehr Fragen als Antworten

Wie viele Kinder wurden denn konkret am 7. Oktober getötet?
Wie viele sind in der Bratröhre gelandet?
Wie viele Kinder wurden absichtlich getötet und nicht durch Querschläger?
Wie viele der am 7. Oktober durch Explosionen getöteten Zivilsten wurden durch Explosionen der israelischen Armee und nicht der Hamas getötet?

Und die Aufklärung der israelischen Kriegsverbrechen lässt auch auf sich warten. Trotz massenhafter Vorwürfe durch Hilfsorganisationen und UNO, gegen wie viele Israelische Soldaten wird ermittelt? Da ist doch nur dieser relativ harmlose Fall wegen Misshandlung eines Gefangenen, und selbst da wurden die beiden Staatsanwälte verhaftet, weil Netanjahu einen Imageschaden befürchtet.

UffTaTa schrieb:Kissinger

Naja, Kissinger ist einer der Väter der Entspannungspolitik, vor allem mit China, das sollte man ihm hoch anrechnen

@parabol
Mehr Fragen als Antworten? Die Opfer sind ja alle namentlich bekannt. Liste: https://www.gov.il/en/pages/swords-of-iron-civilian-casualties#Civilian%20casualties
Kleiner Ausschnitt, die Namen unter 18 darfst du selbst zählen.

Arie (Zalman) Zalmanovich, 85, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted alive from his home during the terrorist attack of 7 October 2023. According to IDF assessments, he was murdered approximately six weeks after being taken captive by Hamas. His body was held in Hamas captivity until he was returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on 21 October 2025.
Ronen Engel, 55, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was murdered during the terrorist attack on the kibbutz on October 7, 2023, and his body abducted to the Gaza Strip. His body was held in Hamas captivity until he was returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on October 18, 2025.
Eliyahu Margalit, 75, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted from his home on October 7, 2023 and subsequently killed in Hamas captivity. His body was held in Hamas captivity until he was subsequently returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on 17 October, 2025.
Yossi Sharabi, 53, of Kibbutz Be’eri was abducted from his home on October 7, 2023 and subsequently killed in Hamas captivity. His body was returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on 13 October, 2025.
Ohad Yahalomi, 50, was one of four deceased hostages returned to Israel on Thursday, 27 February 2025, after being held in Hamas captivity for 510 days. Ohad was abducted wounded from his kibbutz, Nir Oz, on October 7, 2023, and subsequently murdered in captivity. Following the completion of the identification process by the IDF, the Health Ministry National Center of Forensic Medicine and the Israel Police, IDF representatives informed the family of his return for burial in Israel. He is survived by his wife and three children.

Tsahi Idan, 50, was one of four deceased hostages returned to Israel on Thursday, 27 February 2025, after being held in Hamas captivity for 510 days. Tsahi was abducted from his kibbutz, Nir Oz, on October 7, 2023, and subsequently murdered in captivity. Following the completion of the identification process by the IDF, the Health Ministry National Center of Forensic Medicine and the Israel Police, IDF representatives informed the family of his return for burial in Israel.
Itzik Elgarat, 68, was one of four deceased hostages returned to Israel on Thursday, 27 February 2025, after being held in Hamas captivity for 510 days. Wounded in the battle, Itzik was abducted from his kibbutz, Nir Oz, on October 7, 2023, and subsequently murdered in captivity. Following the completion of the identification process by the IDF, the Health Ministry National Center of Forensic Medicine and the Israel Police, IDF representatives informed the family of his return for burial in Israel.
Oded Lifshitz, 84, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was wounded during the attack by Hamas terrorists on October 7, 2023, and then abducted from his home together with his wife Yocheved Lifshitz (85). Yocheved was returned on October 23, 2023, together with another captive, Nurit Cooper. Oded was killed by the terrorists while in captivity. His body was returned to Israel on February 20, 2025, and after his remains were identified at the National Center of Forensic Medicine, official notification was given to his family.
The body of Shiri Bibas, 32, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, who was abducted from her home by Hamas terrorists together with her husband (Yarden, 34) and her two children (Ariel, 4 years old, and Kfir, aged 9 months) during the October 7, 2023, attack, was returned to Israel early Saturday morning (February 22, 2025), after Hamas had initially transferred the remains of an anonymous woman's body on February 20. Shiri’s remains were taken to the National Center of Forensic Medicine where her identity was confirmed and notification given to the family. It was further confirmed she had been murdered in captivity and not killed in an Israeli attack, as claimed by the terrorists. The bodies of her two children, Ariel and Kfir, both brutally murdered in captivity, were returned on Thursday, February 20, 2025. Yarden Bibas was returned alive on February 1, 2025.
Ariel Bibas, 4, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted from his home on October 7, 2023, together with his parents Yarden (34) and Shiri (32), and his brother Kfir (9 months). His body was returned home on Thursday, February 20, 2025. After the National Center of Forensic Medicine confirmed his identity, notification was given to the family.
Kfir Bibas, 9 months, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted from his home on October 7, 2023, together with his parents Yarden (34) and Shiri (32), and his brother Ariel (4). His body was returned home on Thursday, February 20, 2025. His body was taken to the National Center of Forensic Medicine for identification, and once this was confirmed, notification was given to the family.

Shlomo Mantzur, 86, of Kibbutz Kissufim, was murdered by Hamas terrorists in the October 7 attack on the kibbutz and his body abducted to the Gaza Strip. Previously thought to have been abducted alive, on 11 February 2025 the IDF released information based on new findings according to which he was killed in the initial attack and his body abducted to the Gaza Strip. The findings, gathered over several months, have been communicated to his family and the kibbutz. These findings have received approval from the Ministry of Health, in collaboration with the Ministry of Religious Services and the Israel Police. His body remains in the Gaza Strip at this time. his body, one of four bodies of hostages, was returned to Israel Thursday, 27 February 2025, after being held in Hamas captivity for 510 days.
Hamza Ziyadne, 23, of Rahat, was abducted from Kibbutz Holit by Hamas terrorists on October 7, 2023, together with his father and two of his siblings. The four members of the Ziyadne family were working in the kibbutz. IDF and security forces located his body and that of his father, Youssef, in a tunnel in Rafah where they had apparently been held by the terrorists. The bodies were returned on 8 January 2025; Hamza was positively identified at the National Center of Forensic Medicine in Tel Aviv, and his family was notified of his death today (Friday, 10th January 2025). The two other members of the Ziyadne family who were abducted by the terrorists - Bilal Ziyadne, 18, and Aisha Ziyadne, 17 - were released on November 30, 2023, after more than 50 days in Hamas captivity.
Youssef Hamis Ziyadne, 53, of Rahat, was abducted by Hamas terrorists together with three of his children on October 7, 2023, from Kibbutz Holit, where they were working. IDF and security forces located his body in a tunnel in Rafah and returned it to Israel today (8 January 2025). Two of the children - Bilal Ziyadne, 18, and Aisha Ziyadne, 17, were released on November 30 after more than 50 days in Hamas captivity; Youssef and Hamza remained as hostages in Gaza. In the same tunnel in which Youssef’s remains were found, the IDF force located findings that raise heavy concerns for the life of his son Hamza Ziyadne, who was abducted alongside him.
Itay Svirsky, 38, of Tel Aviv, was abducted from Kibbutz Be’eri in the October 7, 2023, terrorist attack while he was visiting his parents. Both his parents were murdered in the attack. On January 16, 2024, his family was notified of his death while in Hamas captivity. His body was retrieved from Gaza on 4 December 2024 by IDF forces and returned to Israel for burial.
Carmel Gat, 40, of Tel Aviv, an occupational therapist, was visiting with her parents in Kibbutz Be’eri when the terrorist attack began on October 7 and she was captured and abducted by the Hamas terrorists to the Gaza Strip. She was held captive for over 300 days before being brutally murdered just a few days ago. On Saturday, August 31, 2024, a combined IDF-ISA force located her body and returned it to Israel.

Alexander Dancyg, 75, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted from his home on October 7 and killed in Hamas captivity. His family was informed of his death on July 22, 2024; IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on August 20, and he was returned to Israel.
Yagev Buchshtab, 35, of Kibbutz Nirim, was abducted from his home on October 7 with his wife Rimon, who was released in the prisoner exchange in November. His family was notified of his death in Hamas captivity on July 22, 2024; IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on August 20, and he was returned to Israel.
Nadav Popplewell, age 51, of Kibbutz Nirim was brutally abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists on October 7 together with his mother, Channah Perry. Both were held hostage in the Gaza Strip until Channah Perry was released on November 24. Following the gathering of new intelligence findings, the IDF confirmed his death in Hamas captivity, as well as the death of three other hostages: Haim Perry, Yoram Metzger and Amiram Cooper. Nadav’s older brother Roy was killed in the onslaught of October 7. His family was notified of his death on June 3. IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on August 20, and he was returned to Israel.
Yoram Metzger, 80, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was brutally abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists on October 7 together with his wife Tamar, who Hamas released on November 28. Following the gathering of new intelligence findings, the IDF confirmed his death in Hamas captivity, as well as the death of three other hostages: Haim Perry, Amiram Cooper, and Nadav Popplewell. His family was notified of his death on June 3. He is survived by his wife, three children, and seven grandchildren. IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on August 20, and he was returned to Israel.
Haim Perry, 79, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was brutally abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and held hostage in the Gaza Strip. Following the gathering of new intelligence findings, the IDF confirmed his death in Hamas captivity, as well as the death of three other hostages: Amiram Cooper, Yoram Metzger, and Nadav Popplewell. Peace activist and artist, he volunteered to transport sick children from Gaza to Israel to receive medical treatment. His family was notified of his death on June 3. He is survived by his wife, Osnat, who managed to hide from the terrorists during the attack, five children and 13 grandchildren. IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on August 20, and he was returned to Israel.
Amiram Cooper, 84, of Kibbutz Nir Oz was abducted brutally from his home on the kibbutz on October 7 together with his wife Nurit Cooper. The IDF recently learned he was killed in Hamas captivity, together with Haim Perry, Yoram Metzger, and Nadav Popplewell. His wife, Nurit, was released on October 23. One of the founders of Kibbutz Nir Oz, he served as the chief economist of the Ma’or region settlements for many years. His family was notified of his death on June 3. His body was held in Hamas captivity until he was returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on Thursday, 30 October 2025.
Avraham Munder, 79, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, was abducted from his home on October 7 together with this wife Ruth, daughter Keren and grandson Ohad who were released in the November outline. He was killed while in Hamas captivity. IDF forces located his body in Gaza on August 20, 2024 and he was returned to Israel.
Dolev Yehud, 35, of Kibbutz Nir Oz, father of four and volunteer medic, was murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7. Presumed a hostage, his remains were found inside Israel and only just identified. Following DNA examination, the IDF has confirmed that a previously unidentified body was that of Dolev. He is survived by his wife and four children, one of whom was born on October 16, while Dolev was still believed to be in Hamas captivity. His family were notified of his death on June 3.
Michel Nisenbaum, 59, of Sderot, was murdered and his body abducted to Gaza on October 7. Born in Brazil, he moved to Israel and resided in Sderot. On the morning of Hamas' attack, he headed for the military base near Kibbutz Re'im in an attempt to rescue his granddaughter, who was staying on the base with her father, an IDF officer. His body was located in the Gaza Strip and returned to Israel on Thursday night (23 May 2024). After being forensically identified, Israeli authorities notified the family on Friday. He is survived by his two daughters and grandchildren.
Sonthaya Oakkharasri, a Thai national who was working at Kibbutz Be’eri, was murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and his body abducted to Gaza, where it is still being held hostage. His family was notified of his death on May 17, 2024 after a prolonged intelligence investigation. Sonthaya, the father of a seven-year-old daughter, would have celebrated his 31st birthday on May 17. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs sends its sincere condolences to the family, the government and people of Thailand.

Sudthisak Rinthalak, a Thai national who was working at Kibbutz Be’eri, was murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and his body abducted to Gaza, where it is still being held hostage. His family was informed of his death on May 17, 2024 after a prolonged intelligence investigation. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs sends its sincere condolences to the family, the government and people of Thailand.
Ron Binyamin, 52, of Rehovot, was killed on October 7 at the Mefalsim Junction on his way to his weekly cycling ride. His body was abducted by Hamas terrorists to Gaza, where it was located on May 17 2024 by IDF forces. He is survived by his wife Ayelet and two adult children Shay and Gil.
Authorities determined today (Tuesday, 7 May 2024) that Lior Rudaeff, 61, of Kibbutz Nir Yitzhak, who was previously considered to be in captivity in Gaza, was in fact murdered in the October 7 Hamas massacre and his body abducted to Gaza, where it is currently being held.
The body of Elyakim Libman, 24, previously thought to be one of the Israeli hostages held in Gaza, was found recently in the grave of another victim of the October 7 attacks, in Israeli territory. Elyakim was working as a security guard at the Nova Musical Festival, where he managed to assist in the evacuation of many of the partygoers. On Friday, 3 May, the authorities informed the family that Elyakim was murdered during the Hamas attack on October 7 and his body had been identified.
Dror Or, 49, of Kibbutz Be’eri - Presumed abducted on October 7, it has been confirmed that he was killed on the day of the massacre and his body was taken to Gaza by the Hamas terrorists where it is still being held. His family was notified of his murder on May 3, 2024.
Wolderaphael (Tiger) Hagos Berhe, 40, an Eritrean asylum seeker, was killed in the Hamas massacre in Sderot on October 7. His unidentified body was held by the authorities until recently when they were able to identify it using a DNA sample. His body was returned to Eritrea where his mother and son live, for burial.
Elad Katzir, 47, of Kibbutz Nir Oz. Abducted from his kibbutz on October 7, he was held in captivity in Gaza where he was subsequently murdered by the terrorists. His body was retrieved from Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip by IDF Commando forces and returned to Israel on 5th April.
Yair Yaakov, 59, of Kibbutz Nir Oz. Abducted on October 7, it has been confirmed that he was killed on the day of the massacre and his body was taken to Gaza by the Hamas terrorists. His family was notified of his murder on February 15, 2024. His body and that of Aviv Atzili, also of Kibbutz Nir Oz were recovered in the Gaza Strip in a joint IDF-ISA operation and returned to Israel on Wednesday, 11 June, after 613 days in Hamas captivity. Yair was brutally murdered by gunfire while heroically holding the door of the safe room in his home, trying to protect his family. His children, Yagil and Or, were kidnapped along with his partner, Meirav Tal. The three returned to Israel in November 2023.
Itay Svirsky, 38, of Tel Aviv. Abducted on October 7 while visiting his family in Kibbutz Be'eri and subsequently murdered in captivity by Hamas. His family was informed of his death on January 16, 2024.
Tamir Adar, 38, of Kibbutz Nir Oz. Abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists on the day of the attack. On January 1, 2024 his family was informed that he was killed on October 7. He was the grandson of Yaffa Adar, who was abducted and released.
Ilan Weiss, 56, of Kibbutz Be’eri. Presumed abducted on October 7 while participating in the defense of the kibbutz from attacking Hamas terrorists, his body has now been identified as being killed during the attack. His family was notified of his death on Monday (1 January 2024).
Judy Weinstein-Haggai, 70, of Kibbutz Nir Oz. Presumed abducted on October 7 together with her husband Haggai, it was learned that she was killed in the Hamas attack and her body abducted to Gaza. Her family was notified of her death and abduction on December 28. Her body and the body of her husband Gad Haggai were recovered in a joint IDF - Israel Security Agency (ISA) operation and returned overnight (4-5 June 2025) to Israel.
Gad Haggai, 73, of Kibbutz Nir Oz – Abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists together with his wife on October 7, he was subsequently murdered in Hamas captivity. His family was informed of his death on December 22. his body, and the body of his wife Judy Weinstein-Haggai were recovered in a joint IDF - Israel Security Agency (ISA) operation and returned overnight (4-5 June 2025) to Israel.
Tal Haimi, 41, of Kibbutz Nir Yitzhak - Murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7, his body was taken to Gaza by Hamas. His family was informed of his death on December 13.
Yotam Haim, 28, of Kibbutz Kfar Azza - Abducted from his home on October 7. He managed to escape from Hamas captivity on December 15, but was mistaken for a terrorist by IDF troops, who opened fire and killed him during battle.
Alon Lulu Shamriz, 26, of Kibbutz Kfar Azza - Abducted from his home on October 7. He managed to escape from Hamas captivity on December 15, but was mistaken for a terrorist by IDF troops, who opened fire and killed him during battle.
Samer Fuad El-Talalka, 22, of Hura - Abducted from Kibbutz Nir Am on October 7. He managed to escape from Hamas captivity on December 15, but was mistaken for a terrorist by IDF troops, who opened fire and killed him during battle.
Dror Kaplun, 68, of Kibbutz Be’eri – Originally reported missing, he was murdered on 7 October and his body abducted to Gaza by the terrorists. His family was informed of his death on December 7.
Sahar Baruch, 25, of Kibbutz Be’eri - Abducted from his home by Hamas terrorists on 7 October, he was subsequently murdered in Hamas captivity. His body was held in Hamas captivity until he was returned to Israel in accordance with the October 2025 agreement, on Thursday, 30 October 2025.
14-hour-old baby of Abu Qrenat - The baby’s mother, in her ninth month of pregnancy when she was shot and killed by Hamas terrorists. Her baby was delivered in an emergency procedure, but died 14 hours later, on October 7.
Yonatan Samerano, 21, of Tel Aviv – Fled from the Nova Music Festival and managed to reach Kibbutz Be’eri, from where he was abducted by Hamas terrorists to the Gaza Strip. He was subsequently murdered in captivity; His family was notified of his death on December 3, 2023.
Ofra Keidar, 70, of Kibbutz Be’eri – Abducted from her home by Hamas terrorists on October 7, she was subsequently murdered in Hamas captivity. Her family was notified of her death on December 1, 2023.
Sami Keidar, 70, of Kibbutz Be’eri – Murdered in his home in Kibbutz Be’eri.
Ravid Arie Katz, 51, of Kibbutz Nir Oz – Killed on October 7 in defense of the kibbutz, his body was abducted to Gaza by the Hamas terrorists. His family was notified of his death on November 11; IDF forces located his body in the Gaza Strip on July 25 and he was returned to Israel.
Goytum Jabrahiwat, an Eritrean national and asylum seeker - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Sderot on October 7.
Chi Zanhung. 47, a Chinese national - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Sderot on October 7.
Zishom Wohn, 36, a Chinese national - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Sderot on October 7.
Dali Zoeo, 35 a Chinese national - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Sderot on October 7.
Natalia Demidova, 39, of Ofakim - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Ofakim on October 7.
Mark Mordehai Peretz, 51, of Rishon LeZion - Murdered by Hamas at Sa’ad Junction, October 7.
Shulamit Merenstein, 83, of Ofakim - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in Ofakin on October 7.
Freha Ifergan, 81, of Ashkelon - Murdered in Ashkelon on October 7.
Clemence Felix Matenga, 22, a Tanzanian national, an agriculture student, murdered by Hamas terrorists in Kibbutz Nir Oz, October 7.
Sumchai Sayang, 24, a Thai national – Murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7.
Papontanei Pongkrueh, a Thai national - Murdered 7 by Hammas terrorists, October 7.
Chaya Reksanon, a Thai national - Murdered by Hamas terrorists, 7 October.
Arenthit Kayson, 29, a Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Pathay Kiyatissek, 35, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Saryut Penkitwanitcharon, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Tawatchai Sieto, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Pongfat Suchart, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Dueh Sayan, 35, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Tianchai Yodtongdi, 32, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Kraysorn Tomiyoma, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Cherkpan Diotaisong, 37, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October.
Seta Homsorn, 36, Thai national, murdered by Hamas terrorists near the Gaza Strip, 7 October. HAARETZ
Shmil Abasov, 33, of Beer Sheva - Murdered by Hamas terrorists while attempting to rescue partygoers at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Eden Abdulayev, 23, of Ramat Gan - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Semion Abdilemov, 66, of Sderot - Murdered in his home in Sderot.
Yazan Zecharia Abu Jama, 5, Arara - Murdered when a rocket struck his home.
Orel Abuhazera, 25, Rosh Ha’ayin - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Ossama Abu Madiam, 28, of Rahat - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in a field near Moshav Mivtahim.
Dalia Abu Madiam, 30, of Rahat - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at her place of work.
Mai Zuhir Abu Sabieh, 13, of Kukhleh - Murdered when a rocket struck her home.
Faiza Abu Sabieh, 57, of Kukhleh - Murdered when a rocket struck her home.
Mussa Abu Sebila, 41, of Abu Talul - Murdered in Sderot while attempting to rescue fellow citizens.
Amar Abu Sebila, 25, of Abu Talul - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Ossama Abu Issa, 36, of Tel Sheva - Murdered when a rocket struck his home.
Noy Aviv, 29, of Eilat - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Dor Avitan, 26, of Eilat - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Lotan Abir, 24, of Moshav Gan Haim - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Gil Yosef Avni, 26, of Caesaria - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Hen Even, 45, of Kibbutz Be'eri - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in his home in the kibbutz.
Alon Even, 16, of Kibbutz Be'eri - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in his home in the kibbutz.
Ido Even, 14, of Kibbutz Be'eri - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in his home in the kibbutz.
Rinat Even, 44, of Kibbutz Be'eri - Murdered by Hamas terrorists in her home in the kibbutz.
Oded Abergil, 27, of Merkaz Shapira - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.
Ilan Avraham, 57, of Beit Arye - Murdered by Hamas terrorists at the Nova Music Festival at Kibbutz Re'im.

... etc, etc, ....

UffTaTa schrieb:Und mit Stalin hat Netanyahu ja zumindest ne Hungernot, Besatzung und Krieg gegen Zivilisten gemeinsam.

Kompletter Kokoleres, mehr kann man dazu nicht mehr sagen.

Wie gesagt schwurbel jemand anderes voll :)

xsaibotx schrieb:Kompletter Kokoleres, mehr kann man dazu nicht mehr sagen.

Nene, was du da machst ist nicht Kokolores, sondern "Widewidewid, ich mache mir die Welt, wie sie mir gefällt."

Sowas nennt man Realitätsverdrängung. Die Gründe dafür sind mir unbekannt, die Auswirkungen leider nicht.
Aber für normal funktionierende Hirne reichen einige Bilder aus Gaza alleine schon aus um das sehen zu können. Also natürlich nicht bei den Massenmord-Fans, bei denen reicht nix aus, aber es gibt ja noch moralisch halbwegs gefestigte Leute, bei denen ist das Anders.

Das zweit Schlimmste an dem ganzen Gemassakkere und Geschlachte und Verhungern und den ganzen ekelhaften Worten und Taten in Zusammenhang mit Gaza ist die Erkenntnis, mit was für Menschen man zusammen lebt.

parabol schrieb:Naja, Kissinger ist einer der Väter der Entspannungspolitik, vor allem mit China, das sollte man ihm hoch anrechnen

Das wird leider massiv überlagert durch die aber-zehntausende an zu Tode gefolterten Menschen in diversen Südamerikanischen Diktaturen. Die zusammen Millionen Lebensjahre unter blutiger Diktatur bringen ihn hoffentlich direkt in die Hölle, da kann er ja dann mit Pinochet, Hitler, Stalin und in Zukunft mit Netanyahu zusammen Entspannungspolitik machen.

UffTaTa schrieb:Sowas nennt man Realitätsverdrängung

Ja, nehme ich bei dir auch war.
Bei deinen ganzen Lügen :) 🤥

UffTaTa schrieb:Aber für normal funktionierende Hirne reichen einige Bilder aus Gaza alleine schon aus um das sehen zu können.

Nur wen man die hamas als absolut vertrauenswürdig hält und die lpgen glauben will.

UffTaTa schrieb:Also natürlich nicht bei den Massenmord-Fans, bei denen reicht nix aus, aber es gibt ja noch moralisch halbwegs gefestigte Leute, bei denen ist das Anders.

Terrororganisationen und nationalsozialismus würde ich jetzt nicht als "moralisch gefestigt" bezeichnen.

UffTaTa schrieb:Das zweit Schlimmste an dem ganzen Gemassakkere und Geschlachte und Verhungern und den ganzen ekelhaften Worten und Taten in Zusammenhang mit Gaza ist die Erkenntnis, mit was für Menschen man zusammen lebt.

Du solltest dir vielleicht weniger zusammen fantasieren.

UffTaTa schrieb:da kann er ja dann mit Pinochet, Hitler, Stalin und in Zukunft mit Netanyahu zusammen Entspannungspolitik machen.

Netanjahu ist also wie hitler weil er sich gegen die ausrottung der juden wehrt? Wilder flex.

Jedimindtricks schrieb:Die bild ist boulevard, Drama Drama Drama Baby.
Die Jungs da unten sind eigtl so gut wie tot ausser sie kommen mit rot Kreuz Flaggen raus. Reicht dann aber nicht fürs Paradies

Das sehe ich genau so, deswegen mein kleiner Einwand.

Und wie das so ist mit den Terroristen sind's dann auch gerne mal Zivilisten... man weiss es eh nie :D

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hyljf11kgbx

A senior Turkish official said Ankara is working to secure the 'safe passage' of 200 'civilians' trapped in Gaza tunnels, days after Turkey helped return the remains of fallen IDF officer Hadar Goldin
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Israeli defense sources dismissed that description, saying the group consists of Hamas terrorists trapped in an Israeli-controlled enclave in Rafah’s Jenina neighborhood. The IDF continues to destroy tunnels in the area, which remains a flashpoint despite the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.